should they continue making firefly?

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UPDATED: Tuesday, August 1, 2006 11:55
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SIGMANUNKI

Monday, July 31, 2006 9:59 PM

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Originally posted by 22Claws:
I was actually talking about Angel. Not Buffy.

Check the core character carnage.
22

Then you should have told us which one you were talking about as my post refered to both.

But, do you mean core character or main character? Because there is a difference.

For instance, in Buffy, Anya was a main character but not a core character. Similarly with Spike, Tara, Riley, Angel and Dawn (the other characters being more side notes).

Try not to be too spoilery in your responce as I'm only through 3/4 of Angel season 1.

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CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Monday, July 31, 2006 9:59 PM

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On a deviously related side note: Why do those of you who think Firefly should be permanently discontinued still hang around these boards? Just to stir up resentment?

I'd like to think not. I'm inclined to believe that you don't really know why you linger here. You may say, 'For the camaraderie' or '...community'; but I think it goes back to the unique power of science fiction to leave you transfixed with Wonderment, and the contemplation of what it means to be human.

Firefly is science fiction, and we need more of it in the entertainment world.

I'm one of those who does not support a return of Firefly as a tv series. I tend to agree that it's been too long since Firefly was on the air, and it would never be quite the same as the original episodes. I don't think we can get more of what was, but that doesn't mean I don't think there can't be something else.

I support the return of Firefly as a mini series, as another movie, as a video game, etc. I would even support a new series set in the same 'Verse, with maybe one or two of the characters we know, but with primarily a new cast. The universe is interesting enough (and open enough!), and Joss's writing is so wonderful that I think most of us would quickly fall in love with a new cast.

As much as I hate to compare Firefly to Star Trek (I think some people sometimes take what did happen to Star Trek to mean that the same exact thing will happen to Firefly, but that's a different topic), I think the similarities are worth pointing out here. The original Star Trek series was canceled prematurely, and by the time The Motion(less) Picture came out, I don't think a return to the tv format, with the same crew, would have worked. Too much time had passed. But the movie worked, and despite not being the most exciting thing ever made, they were able to make more (and better!) movies, still with the same crew. And then there was The Next Generation series -- new cast, later time period, same universe and same basic set up. It couldn't ever be the same show, but the license was put to good use.

That's my take on Firefly: I don't think we'll ever be able to have the same show, or be able to continue what we should have gotten to begin with. But the license is fantastic, and I think it can still be put to good use. Movies, mini series, video games, whatever. I'll take what I can get. But a return of the crew of Serenity to the weekly small-screen format... Well, I would approach it with much trepidation.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, July 31, 2006 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by zoid:

P.S.
On a deviously related side note: Why do those of you who think Firefly should be permanently discontinued still hang around these boards? Just to stir up resentment?

MRSU had it bang on in his/her post. The magic is gone.

Basically, there was something about that group of people (all of them - cast, crew, writers, etc), the time, where they where in there lives, etc that made Firefly as great as it was. In the BDM, it is clear that the magic is largely gone; something just didn't click, things were off somewhat.

As I said above, I'm not about leaving the 'verse behind for good, just not with that crew.

Furthermore, I find it insulting that I'm having to defend my love of Firefly just because I'm not going along with the party line of always wanting more.

Firefly is like a painting painted by a master painter. Perhaps someone can do something like it again, but it just wouldn't be the same. Best to change subject matter (different crew) and go from there.

As a last note, there are those of us that are working to forward it in a different medium ie games.

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PURPLEPENGUIN91

Monday, July 31, 2006 11:26 PM

Personally, I don't even think I'd watch it with a different crew. Actually, no I would, but I wouldn't have high hopes and it would only be because I have so much of an interest in this verse, and I love Joss.

I would state the reasons why I don't think the magic is gone, but the reasons why have already been stated, and it's just a matter of opinion anyway.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Monday, July 31, 2006 11:30 PM

"should they continue making firefly"

Is the Pope Catholic?
Do birds of a feather flock together?
Does Joanie love Chaci?
Is it impossible to determine how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
Is the ExMrFMF a sack of crud?

edit - but original actors only - all alive - hale and hearty

one of the Forsaken TM

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Monday, July 31, 2006 11:32 PM

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As a last note, there are those of us that are working to forward it in a different medium ie games.

Sigma, if you don't mind me asking, what have you got in the works? I'm a huge gamer and would love to see the 'Verse brought to games. I try to keep up on all the developments in that realm.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

STINKINGROSE

Monday, July 31, 2006 11:45 PM

What he/she said.

Movies would be acceptable (giggle with giddiness), but all the little stories every week are part of the magic.
As for having lost 2 characters..it is not insurmountable.
Ask what they brought to the show, what qualities need to be filled to balance it out. Then write new characters to fill the void. If they could find the talent the first time, they can do it again. There are hundreds of amazingly talented actors (gender neutral) in the US alone who would be able to work ensemble with the extant cast.
As for wit and witticism, Joss is quoted somewhere as saying that Alan might not be done with the cast but Wash is dead. Am I the only one reading that as writing &/or directing?

MORE! MORE!! MORE!!!!

DAYVE

Monday, July 31, 2006 11:48 PM

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should they continue making firefly?
JAMAICANBATMAN

the question is Should They Continue.......but how can you continue something that's not being made...

I can see both sides being presented here. On the one hand, we all would like nothing more than to see more stories of the verse and would probably accept whatever we were given.

On the other hand, I, reluctantly agree that some of the magic from the original may be lost in the interim.

I will gladly accept any movies, tv series, books, comics, smoke signals or any other way to continue this story, and i sincerly hope that the moguls of the entertainment industry will someday pull their heads from their asses and give us what we want.... instead of more Poseidon Adventures or Miami Vice reruns....

how long has it been since anyone in hollywood has had an original idea for crying out loud.....

and if that is about as clear as mud..... mark me down in the affirmative.....

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

PURPLEPENGUIN91

Tuesday, August 1, 2006 12:12 AM

I enjoyed Adam in that remake of the Poseidon Adventure! But that was a mdae for tv movie, and not as important as the major motion picture, which you're right, didn't need to be made.

FUTUREMRSFILLION, you're post made me laugh. ANd you're right, only with the original cast.

I'd actually never thought of Alan becoming a writer, but that's a pretty neat idea.

ZOID

Tuesday, August 1, 2006 12:14 AM

CaliforniaKaylee reponded, thus:

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I'm one of those who does not support a return of Firefly as a tv series. I tend to agree that it's been too long since Firefly was on the air, and it would never be quite the same as the original episodes. I don't think we can get more of what was, but that doesn't mean I don't think there can't be something else.

I support the return of Firefly as a mini series, as another movie, as a video game, etc. I would even support a new series set in the same 'Verse, with maybe one or two of the characters we know, but with primarily a new cast. The universe is interesting enough (and open enough!), and Joss's writing is so wonderful that I think most of us would quickly fall in love with a new cast.

As much as I hate to compare Firefly to Star Trek (I think some people sometimes take what did happen to Star Trek to mean that the same exact thing will happen to Firefly, but that's a different topic), I think the similarities are worth pointing out here. The original Star Trek series was canceled prematurely, and by the time The Motion(less) Picture came out, I don't think a return to the tv format, with the same crew, would have worked. Too much time had passed. But the movie worked, and despite not being the most exciting thing ever made, they were able to make more (and better!) movies, still with the same crew. And then there was The Next Generation series -- new cast, later time period, same universe and same basic set up. It couldn't ever be the same show, but the license was put to good use.

That's my take on Firefly: I don't think we'll ever be able to have the same show, or be able to continue what we should have gotten to begin with. But the license is fantastic, and I think it can still be put to good use. Movies, mini series, video games, whatever. I'll take what I can get. But a return of the crew of Serenity to the weekly small-screen format... Well, I would approach it with much trepidation.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

I'm really not into playing the 'Joss said' game, but... The author has specifically stated that he had a lot more stories to tell in this universe, with these characters. If anyone's interested, said he...

I am.

You see, I believe that Joss Whedon is perhaps the most gifted storyteller in the visual medium today. That's not faint praise, lightly bandied about.

I didn't particularly care for BtVS or AtS. But in Firefly, I feel Joss matured into a master storyteller for adults... as opposed to 'passing his prime' as others have opined. In Firefly, I saw a craftsman attain mastery of his art form.

When Joss says he's got more to say with this crew, if only he can find an audience, I'm front row center waiting for the lights to dim and the curtain to rise.

To quote a trite phrase, which nonetheless applies here: "In Joss We Trust"...

Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
To SigmaNunki:
You quoted me out of context. No slight was intended to those who wish Firefly-as-we-know-it to be administered the last rites. Specifically I said:
"...Just to stir up resentment?

I'd like to think not."

So, there is no need to defend or quantify your love for Firefly. I know you love this work, and I understand your objections and reasoning.

I just don't agree that Firefly-as-we-know-it is finished, or that Joss has lost his powers as a writer of compelling videoplays. (NB: But I would like to see Joss a little more closely partnered with Tim Minear in future releases.)

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-zed
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