Favorite non-canon ship?
POSTED BY: Romanceguru
UPDATED: Friday, March 11, 2011 06:51
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Wow! This thread is giving me so many ideas for new fanfic pairings to go read. 
I was feeling stuck in a rut a bit, 'cause all I was reading was Jaylee.
The series that hooked me on Jaylee was the "Measure of a Jayne" story arc by Itsawash. LOVED IT!!!
I think I'm really intrigued now by Mal/River and Jayne/Zoe. I'll have to find some of that to read.
As far as age differences, I honestly don't think about that sort of thing while I'm reading. It's fiction, I can let my mind wander out of the boudaries of what's "accepted" or "normal".
Oh and as for Jayne not being committed to one woman, that's why I like the fics that are mostly one-shot or a few chapters. Each time they end in either kids or marriage, I can't help but roll my eyes. 
Maybe this is the thread to post this question: What the heck does OTP stand for? I see it mostly in icons over at Livejournal in relation to cannon pairs. It's driving me nuts.
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Originally posted by Sindra:
Maybe this is the thread to post this question: What the heck does OTP stand for? I see it mostly in icons over at Livejournal in relation to cannon pairs. It's driving me nuts.
One True Pairing. :)
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I know what you mean about the marriage/babies thing. I started my fic out with the intention of just an 'adult relationship' - then Jayne developed his own ideas, and he's mighty stubborn. 
“I’ve no objection to living in sin, but my man’s...insistent.”
“Not having you leaving me, first fancy planet we get to.” Jayne grumbles comfortably. “You’re my woman, an’ I’m keepin’ you.”
But the whole spacespawn thing freaks me out.
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Thank you SO much, AgentRouka! Now I can sleep tonight. LOL Everytime I saw it my mind kept processin' Harry Potter. (OTP: Order Of the Phoenix)
And Spaceanjl, I think I'll go take a look at your fics. Seems you have a pretty good handle on writing the man of my dreams. 
The married Jayne thing doesn't bother me so much IF it's done the right way. But I'm with ya' on the "spacespawn" thing all the way!!!
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My favorite non-canon ship is Simon/Inara, followed by Mal/River (with Inara gone where would Mal turn then, eh? :)).
I guess it is because I can't see Mal/Inara or Simon/Kaylee working long term: those couples have so much trouble communicating with each other, and I usually see in the real life that those communication problems don't dissappear magically when couples start having sex, it might even get worse. I see them having passionate, rocky, tormenting relationships with eventual break-ups.
On the other hand, Simon and Inara are so natural and honest with each other, they see and accept and admire each other for what they are. They have couple of sweet moments in the show and I was suprised to see even more moments in the original shooting scripts (Bushwacked, Jamestown and a small bit in the pilot) and in "Dead or Alive" which clearly showed that there was some intrigue planned between Kaylee, Inara and Simon. If the show continued longer - who knows? (Original scripts are here: http://www.whedonsworld.com/fireflys1summary.html).
My favorite moment between them is in HoG, when Simon finally delivers a baby and looks so happy - the happiest in the whole show, and Inara gives him a sweetest look she gave for anyone in the show. It's the moment of truth, when she can see the real him: following his vocation, doing what he's supposed to do in life. Sadly, Kaylee never gets such a chance in the show: Simon and Kaylee mostly pose before each other.
Now to Mal and River: they are kindred spirits in a way, both suffering and lost, but strangely I see River as the strongest here, helping Mal to find a way out of the woods. In a way she's much older than her years, even though in some ways she's still girlish. And she has light inside, despite everything that happens, light which was lost in Mal. I can see them/read about them as friends, with platonic relationship, just as fine.
Simon/River seems really icky for me. They already have the best relationship on the show: angsty and beautiful enough without having to throw sex in it. Why change the thing which is good already?
Jayne/River also doesn't work for me: from what we've seen from the show she gets annoyed with him even more than Simon. Remember that knife slashing? She went not just for the Blue Sun logo but for Jayne too, after he was especially obnoxious with Simon.
Jayne/Kaylee? Never wanted to read such a fic but it might work for me. Jayne changes a lot in the series: he has the best character arc in a way. He's very different person after Ariel and friendship with Book. The new Jayne might look better in Kaylee's eyes... And I don't think he's older than Mal: he looks younger, like early 30s.
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.Jayne changes a lot in the series: he has the best character arc in a way. He's very different person after Ariel and friendship with Book. The new Jayne might look better in Kaylee's eyes... And I don't think he's older than Mal: he looks younger, like early 30s...
That, my friend, is the glory of the fabulously well-preserved Adam B. Forty-plus and F***able. But then I have an obsession.
Simon is too young for Inara. I think he needs Kaylee - honesty and warmth. Inara is too much the old life.
But I think you got Mal and River right on.
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Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
Simon is too young for Inara. I think he needs Kaylee - honesty and warmth. Inara is too much the old life.
Heh - Inara doesn't look old. :) That's the problem - I don't know the actual ages of actors or their characters, I just react to what I see on-screen. And on-screen Jayne looks younger than on-screen Mal, who looks like late-thirties to me. So Adam is 40+? Vow! :)
And Inara looks MUCH younger than Mal: she looks like mid-to-late-twenties and I don't know how old she's supposed to be but that's how she looks. And Simon is spiritually older than his years, after all he's been through and responsibilities that are on him. So I don't see age difference between him and Inara as an issue. But it's just me. :)
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Originally posted by MRSU:
Now to Mal and River: they are kindred spirits in a way, both suffering and lost, but strangely I see River as the strongest here, helping Mal to find a way out of the woods. In a way she's much older than her years, even though in some ways she's still girlish. And she has light inside, despite everything that happens, light which was lost in Mal. I can see them/read about them as friends, with platonic relationship, just as fine.
I like to think of River as Mal's lost hope and innocence, and Mal as River's rock, whether you look at it through a father/daughter or romantic angle.
I loved River's relationship with Mal in the Red Run fanfic, which is sadly now gone from this site, because it was such an interesting one even though it didn't have an inkling of romance in it. I just love their dynamic together. Then again, I came to Firefly through the movie, where they interacted a whole lot more there than in the series. But what interactions they did have in the series were all very telling of the bond that might grow between them, whether you see it through a friendship or romantic perspective.
"People tell you things all the time, without talking. The way they move, the way they aren't talking." - River Tam
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I was like you, Jayne & River as a couple was the furthest thing on my mind after I watched Firefly & the BDM. That all changed when I read this series. Little Moments by Michmak http://www.fanfiction.net/u/234521/ If you decide to read, start with Expert.
If you watch the series closely, you can see that while Jayne is fearful of River, she does not seem to be afraid of him. For instance, in Ariel when they get back she is smiling at him, even though she knows what he attempted to do. In Objects, when she is walking through the ship she reads his apologetic thoughts. There is also the create of apples he bought showing he can see the error of his way and reform little by little. : ) I now notice a multitude of scenes where she is gazing at him. It may not be a crush, but she does not find Jayne threatening.
In the BDM I think Jayne really grows by the end by doing something “right”. Making him in the end not so “nasty” .
As for Jayne’s possible attraction to River, check my sig below. It’s not like she is unattractive. I also have a feeling him seeing her as a killer machine softens the “little girl” stigma just a little.
Towards the end of the Serenity she say’s “I’m all right”, thus showing us she is on the path to being a little less ‘crazy’ .
Here are a couple fan-vids that narrate the ship and show the Rayne moments from the series.
Behind Blue Eyes:
The Girl Of My Dreams Is Giving Me Nightmares:
Firefly They All Fall Down:
Things in common:
-Both excellent fighters
-Both ‘probably’ have never had a real romantic relationship.
-Both childlike and immature to an extent.
-Both have a darkness (murder can do that to a person)
-Both were probably trouble maker children.
Things that work in there favor:
-Opposites attract. Look at all
canon couples aboard the ship for an example! In addition, I believe he has a track record for the like in his other shows. Buffy/Spike & Angel/Cordelia
-Joss has them interact a lot through the series and movie.
-River doesn’t need anyone intellectually challenging (since there really isn’t anyone on her level anyway) She needs someone to make her feel real and normal, to ground her.
-Most fictions start when she is 18 + perfectly legal.
1) The Attraction of Opposites Source: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=22679&m=350480#350480
“Most romantic writing has at least some of this archetype in it, even if it’s not the principal theme (including script writing, just think Angel and Buffy, or Rachel and Ross). Classic romance writing draws heavily on it, increasing the attraction of the main characters by making them different, mentally and physically. He’s tall, dark, tanned, experienced, hardened by life, older, with hard muscles – she’s short, blonde, pale, innocent, naive, young and very soft - to show an obvious example. The more different, the more attraction – pure physics. Emphasis is put on the difficulty of understanding the other, fascination of the unknown and a lot of fighting to keep up the energy. An “Attraction of Opposites”-couple is often very passionate and fights rather than talk things out (Buffy and Spike anyone?).
Ron and Hermione are an obvious choice for this type of scenario. The canon characters are always bickering and there certainly seems to be some difficulty for the two to understand each other, especially when it comes to feelings and such. They are very different, both physically and mentally: Ron is tall, Hermione’s not (there’s nothing in canon to indicate that she’d be particularly short, but she’s not described as “tall” at least). Ron’s very into Quidditch, Hermione’s a book worm. Ron has six brothers and sisters, Hermione’s an only child. Ron’s hot-headed, Hermione’s logical and cool. Ron’s a bit reckless, Hermione thinks before she does something, and so on. Fanon tends to enhance these differences, making Ron int
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God I hate when people do these pairings. Just wrong.
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