Favorite non-canon ship?

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DEEPGIRL187

Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:03 PM

Rayne, followed closely by Mal/River. I like these two pairings because they seem semi-plausible to me. A lot of the other non-canon pairings I just don't see happening.

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SPACEANJL

Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:18 PM

I wish someone would explain Rayne to me.

I see a lot of teenage girls projecting a wish-fulfilment fantasy, which is fine, but I never get a sense of WHY those two CHARACTERS. Jayne is a grown man, and I really don't see him liking little girls, given the (admittedly limited) female interaction we see him have in the series. I also don't see why River would fall for him - he's a big, nasty thug who attempted to sell her out, for whatever reason. I can see her tormenting him, as another big brother type, but I never saw any chemistry there.

PHOENIXROSE

Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:40 PM

I don't get Rayne either. I've read only one fic that I sorta bought into, but mostly I don't get it. As you said, thug who attempted to sell her out. Don't get that.

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SPACEANJL

Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:47 PM

A cute thug, mind I just think you have to be a bit older to...appreciate his finer points.

XEYRA

Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:02 PM

I have read a few different non-canon shippy fics; I try to keep an open mind and give everything a try, though I may not exactly enjoy it for many reasons, usually the way these non-canon relationships are portrayed or the way some character is written, their characterization seeming somewhat off to me. I guess I usually stick to canon for some reason, because I like Mal/Inara, and Simon/Kaylee and Zoe/Wash and Jayne... well... Jayne with Vera. LOL.

I do have a guilty pleasure, which is Mal/River, one of the few non-canon pairings I like mostly because I've had the fortune of reading a few multi-chaptered stories that actually work into establishing a background for their relationship. And because I found authors who write shorter pieces and vignettes with such lyrical quality that it makes me believe those two could have a relationship. Besides, Mal and River look good together, much like Mal and Inara do. Both graceful women, with almost etheral beauty. And our captain is a hot-muffin (yes, fangirlish moment here, let me squee a bit... there...).

Admitedly, it's a difficult pairing to pull off, because of the whole age difference (though why do Rayne shippers forget the age difference when it comes to Jayne? He's supposedly even older than Mal) and father/daughter perspective. Though, post-movie, this pairings seems to have become rather popular and there are seeds of believability in there, mostly because we actually see some great interaction between these two. :)

Someone recommended Serenity Now as a good Mal/River series. I agree, though, I think it was in Part 3, there was a situation involving nightmare manipulations that rang truly false to me when it came to River's character, so I became a little skeptic after that.

I also don't understand River/Jayne, though I've been reading an interesting story on Fanfiction.net, called Angel (I forgot the author), that has an interesting set-up and is slowly evolving into that pairing. My problem with most Rayne stories tends to be with River's characterization or with the way Simon is treated in them, but if you can point me out to some good ones, I'll give them a try, even if sometimes what one enjoys someone else will not (like Next of Kin, which I know most Rayne shippers think is incredible, and it is very well-written, but I have a problem with River's characterization in the chapters I have read, so I gave up on it).

I can't quite see Jayne and River together, though, due to many of the reasons pointed above. I love Jayne, I really do, but I prefer him paired off to a well-written, rounded original female (like in SpaceAngl's incredible series) than with anyone in the crew. He did have a crush on Kaylee, Joss says so in the commentary to the pilot episode, but I don't see Kaylee falling for him.

As for River, well, I would love to see some fics where their friendship might be explored, but romance? Jayne might like the idea of River as a weapon, but I doubt he'd go past the crazy thing, even if River should be better post-movie (not to mention how bad to his pride having been knocked out by a 90-pound girl twice!). And I don't see River falling for Jayne. I see her with a character that is more of a match to her, intellectually and emotionally, with whom she shares an understanding, a bond (which is why I like Kyo in GeekUSA's series, for example, and the idea of Mal/River).

But that's just me.

I also read an interesting multi-chaptered slashy fic once, post-Serenity, where Wash survived but was very traumatized, and since Zoe couldn't quite accept him, he got involved with a couple of other crew-members of the male sex. I don't usually believe in Firefly slash (though I am a fan of certain slash pairings in other fandoms, so I have nothing against slash), but this one proved to be very well-written. Just can't remember the title, but I think it was one of the stories nominated for the Strawberries Awards? *unsure look*

Mostly, I'm a canon shipper, though I don't read everything in my preferred ships, because some stories simply don't

PHOENIXROSE

Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:10 PM

I have the very inkling beginnings of a triangle in my tiny little drabble; Mal being torn and all that. Because I do think it would mess with him a little.
Gorrammit I need to work these things into an actual story! I used to be so good at letting a story flow! Where did my abilities go???
Yeah, "Nightmares" was not the best "Serenity Now" story. I hope she keeps writing, though; I haven't seen anythng new for weeks and weeks! *grinds teeth*
I can't remember exactly what little story kind of addressed issues with Rayne. I mentioned it in the thread I started over in Blue Sun by the name of "convince me" which is an excellent place to find shippy recomendations.
I agree with you on "Next of Kin" BTW; could not read it. Didn't even get to the Rayne part before I stopped. I just thought it wasn't very well done.

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SPACEANJL

Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:34 PM

PR, I think we might have the same triangle in mind... I think it will mess with him a lot. I have a follow-up to 'Zen...' in the plotting stage, with that very idea in mind, timelined after my crossover piece, just to let you know I'm not poaching.

And Xeyra - thanks for the props. I'm having fun writing the stuff, I'm just glad people like it.

XEYRA

Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:40 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
PR, I think we might have the same triangle in mind... I think it will mess with him a lot. I have a follow-up to 'Zen...' in the plotting stage, with that very idea in mind, timelined after my crossover piece, just to let you know I'm not poaching.

And Xeyra - thanks for the props. I'm having fun writing the stuff, I'm just glad people like it.

Yes, I really do love your series (and the little triangle in the works, too, of which we see some inkling of in the latter two stories), but I have been really bad at giving you feedback. Must correct that and soon. I do love the way you write and the characterizations and your dialogue and the way you handle the relationships.

"People tell you things all the time, without talking. The way they move, the way they aren't talking." - River Tam

ARCADIA

Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:51 PM

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River is young, but she's hardly still a kid after everything she's been through.

I see it differently. While River has certainly gained wisdom because of everything she's been through, I think her maturity has actually been stunted (if that makes sense). She has the intellegence and wisdom of someone beyong her years, but her experience with people, especially in a romantic sense, is far, far behind. She still has a childishness to her, the way she talks sometimes. Somtimes she's the psychic, sometimes the teenager, sometimes the genius, and sometimes the barely fourteen year old girl who had her childhood snatched away.

That's why I find most River romances -- especially with Jayne or Mal -- so hard to swallow. River has a lot that she needs to go through before she's going to initiate a romance with anyone (and in 99% of these fics that I've read, which is admittedly not so many, River is always the one going, "hmm... I have a crush on Jayne, I should sleep with him...").

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SPACEANJL

Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:10 PM

That's why I'm interested in writing her. And that's the fun of writing the whole ensemble. You can see so many different angles, from established relationships, fledgling romances, to the awkward messes. And River has experience of all of that, but at second hand. How do you lie to a psychic?

Developing a crush would be a natural reaction at her age.

It's what happens next that gets interesting.

And this is Joss - who can predict what that man may have done with his characters?

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