Discrepancies b.w Pilot and Movie

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UPDATED: Thursday, August 17, 2006 22:26
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AGENTROUKA

Saturday, July 8, 2006 7:26 AM

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This is simply a case of over analysis and taking things out of context.

I really don't understand why these inconsistencies are a problem for people that absolutely need to be resolved.

I think you are oversensitive.

The point is not to deny inconsistencies or to imply intent on Joss' part, but simply to point out how some things aren't inconsistent at all. Ariel doesn't prove anything about Simon's knowledge about River's capabilities, but neither does it contradict anything. Movie and series information make each other more complex.

No one is going overboard to create unreasonable scenarios, so why does it offend you so much that people see extra information instead of inconsistencies? There are enough real ones in terms of little plotholes in our beloved movie. No need to protect them all.

ONNAHINLI

Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:28 AM

the only things bothered me had to deal with simon he became a different character in the movie.
during the series he seemed more submissive to mals orders and seemed to comply easier during confrontation. during the movie hes immediately as demanding and more confident and even more aggresive then he was at the end of the series. not to mention he could stroll into a high security allianmce labratory play a role then woosh his sister away but when asked to play the role of a mud buyer he cant manage complete sentences???

oh the explanation of how the revears became was awesome in the movie but in bushwhacked that would just make the kid who became one just 'moody' (to put lighty)

"I dont know. If i wanted schoolin' i would've went to school"
-Jayne

SMILEFORTHECAMERA

Friday, July 28, 2006 7:04 AM

First of all I have to say that just because a topic has been discussed before does not make it off limits. If someone wants to ask a question they should be able to without first searching the entire site to see whether there has been any previous references and without being shut down for it. (I realise, though, that the poster may have been trying to be helpful).

Second of all there are inconsistencies between the show and the movie if you take them both at face value eg the much discussed River rescue and the relationship between Simon and Mal. These inconsistencies can be resolved through the various suggestions that have arisen eg Simon lied, but if people don’t want to accept these suggestions its their prerogative, there’s no reason why they should as there is no real basis for it in the show or movie. From the posts that I’ve read the basis for these suggestions seems to be the fan’s desire for continuity and the novels (which have practically no input from Joss).

Personally I agree with previous comments to the effect that inconsistencies arise because the movie had to be accessible to people who hadn’t watched firefly. The rescue scene in the movie, in my opinion, was be quicker, more interesting and easier to follow than it would have been if Joss had filmed Simon’s version in the pilot.

People if you want to believe that there are no continuity problems by making up or accepting rationalisations that are no found within the show or movie but by adding information and scenarios (eg Simon’s lying in the pilot) I’m happy for you, but you really should be aware of the difference between fact and opinion.

FELLOWTRAVELER

Monday, July 31, 2006 9:08 PM

Huh, I just assumed that the Alliance caught River again between the end of the show and the beginning of the movie and this was a different breakout. Wrong again; I think I see a pattern developing...

What I did notice was when the OP was checking out Mal's file, it has him listed as a Cpt. in the Independents. Mal was a Sgt, right?

Seems a pretty obvious contradiction, so someone set me straight. What did I miss?

UNSEEN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 8:01 PM

Okay... I keep hearing about this supposed problem created about Simon's story between Firefly and Serenity and I just don't see the real contradiction.

As far as I can recall, Simon never went into any detail as to what happened other than in the pilot, and there says something to the effect of he funded the men who could help get River out in cryo and not specifically that they rescued her. It could quite easily have been the case that he went in using the things provided by whoever was aiding him (after all, why would the men want to risk themselves?). This could fit with the film and show just perfectly and seems fairly likely to have been how it could've gone. Simon could've gotten River out in what according to the book is some Alliance official ship... which is unlikely to be a long range craft.
So, Simon gets River out using things provided by the men he funded - no contradiction so far - then also in that scene mentions getting to Persephone, which would've also been part of what the men did for him (particularly if that craft *wasn't* capable of travelling between planets.)
Simon's acting discrepancy can also be explained; Before going into the Alliance facility - which he was prepared for - he also wasn't a highly wanted fugitive. At the time he was required to act again, he was both a wanted fugitive who didn't entirely want to be there anyway, and unprepared.
I don't know... I can't see the problems even comparing the series, book and movie. This theory fits and was pretty much what I assumed Simon meant anyway.

DONCOAT

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:28 PM

What you said.

Simon demonstrated time and again that he could and would do anything for River's sake. He stood right up to Mal in the pilot, and jumped an Alliance agent to boot. He was ready to be burned to death for her, for goodness' sake!

It's hardly surprising that he did a better job portraying an Alliance officer (a role he surely understood well and had time to prepare for) than a mud buyer (a kind of person he'd probably never met in his life), on essentially no notice, with no connection to River's welfare at stake.

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ONNAHINLI

Friday, August 4, 2006 5:07 AM

the big one for me as i stated in another thread was that in the movie they show Mal's rank as captain in the scene the operative was researching on mal. but throughout the movie they always imply he left service as a sargent. badger refers to it as well as tracy and the alliance officer interrigating him.

"I dont know. If i wanted schoolin' i would've went to school"
-Jayne

UNSEEN

Sunday, August 6, 2006 3:14 PM

The other little sticking point that keeps on coming up is the guy in Bushwhacked, and how he could be a Reaver if the story of the movie is taken into account. Well... why couldn't it have happened to this guy just as the episode says?Someone forced to watch unspeakable acts and indescribable horrors may well lose their mind and try to imitate the behaviour of the Reavers if that's the only place they can go to.

Though yes, the problem of Captain/Sergeant is there... I don't believe this is a continuity problem however, more likely just a mistake/assumption on the parts of whoever created that little computer sequence the Operative is watching. Working with a movie script where he's only ever referred to as Captain... and remember, these are the same people who in one shot spell his name incorrectly then it's fine in another.

DONCOAT

Sunday, August 6, 2006 5:22 PM

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Originally posted by Unseen:
Though yes, the problem of Captain/Sergeant is there... I don't believe this is a continuity problem however, more likely just a mistake/assumption on the parts of whoever created that little computer sequence the Operative is watching. Working with a movie script where he's only ever referred to as Captain... and remember, these are the same people who in one shot spell his name incorrectly then it's fine in another.

I think the "mistake" theory is probably correct. Whoever did the graphic knew that Mal was "Captain Malcolm Reynolds" and assumed that was his military rank too.

Of course, it's easy enough to come up with a fanwank to explain it. Based on his service at Serenity Valley, the Independent high command gave Mal a battlefield promotion (jumping over Lieutenant to Captain), so that's what was in his official record at the end of the war.

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SIGMANUNKI

Sunday, August 6, 2006 7:01 PM

Instead of making things up, I decided to look at the wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Tam

Which is complete crap btw, and check out the references.

This link from the references in the wikipedia article:

http://www.serenitymovie.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=766

has an interveiw with Joss in it. Here's the exert that matters.

"""
Question: Hi Joss. I was just wondering, a bit of a discrepency I might have noticed in the series and in the film. In the series, it is implied that River was smuggled *to* Simon in that chyrogenic box, yet in this movie we've seen him rescuing her. Is that just something you had to put in the plot to make it make sense to people who have never seen the series or did I just--

JOSS: -- Man, I haven't even noticed that [laughs]. It is the one place where I broke cannon, because I started to write the movie with people we have never met, breaking the material out, and I thought "My God, this is uninvolving" and realised I had to switch it for the movie to make it Simon himself who broke her out. So. My fan wank goes out as follows, he was lying about when he said other people broke her out, and I haven't gotten why yet... Im working on it.
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So, there you go. Joss admitts that he broke canon introducing inconsistencies in the story line.

Check your references people!

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