Something I've wondered for a while

POSTED BY: slickt0mmy
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SLICKT0MMY

Monday, July 10, 2006 3:42 AM

Sorry if this is a stupid question but why is it that in Safe, Mal says to Simon (after being rescued) "You're on my crew. Why are we still talking about this?"

Then, in the BDM at the beginning he says, "I look out for me and mine. That don't include you unless I conjure it does."

Why does Mal feel one way towards Simon in the series then another in the movie? Did I miss something?

"Put Book front and center. He's our friend; we should honor him." -Mal

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Monday, July 10, 2006 3:43 AM

For the purposes of the script.

All I'm gonna say.

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SLICKT0MMY

Monday, July 10, 2006 3:45 AM

I understand that to new comers to the 'verse Joss needed to show that there is tension between Mal and Simon. But still, that line confuses me.

"Put Book front and center. He's our friend; we should honor him." -Mal

NANITE1018

Monday, July 10, 2006 3:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by slickt0mmy:
Sorry if this is a stupid question but why is it that in Safe, Mal says to Simon (after being rescued) "You're on my crew. Why are we still talking about this?"

Then, in the BDM at the beginning he says, "I look out for me and mine. That don't include you unless I conjure it does."

Why does Mal feel one way towards Simon in the series then another in the movie? Did I miss something?

"Put Book front and center. He's our friend; we should honor him." -Mal

It's to show that things have gone downhill. Simon and River have caused enough hardship for Mal b/w the series and the BDM that he no longer considers them part of his crew. He conjured differently than in "Safe".

BELUGASMOM

Monday, July 10, 2006 4:12 AM

I concur. Things have gone to hell in a handbasket for our dear Captain, he's already driven off Book and Inara with his winsome personality, and he's barely hanging on to his ship and his sanity. He's hanging on by his fingernails and doesn't care who he alienates. Hunger will do that to a person...........that, and I suspect our dear Captain hasn't gotten laid since "Heart of Gold." Get that man a Companion!!

Life is short, brutal, and unpredictable. EAT DESSERT FIRST.

EMBERS

Monday, July 10, 2006 4:30 AM

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Originally posted by slickt0mmy:
Did I miss something?

Nanite1018 is right, in the comics Joss tried to show how difficult things had become:
they hadn't gotten paid and a lot of the problem was the constant need to keep River & Simon safe from the Alliance.
And of course having Book & Inara leave makes Mal edgier and meaner.
He is picking fights with everyone.

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YROGERG

Monday, July 10, 2006 4:46 AM

OKay thanks for the prev stuff that helped guess i should get those comics and read up. Other things come to mind about the movie. Like why does River get better so quickly how does such a simple thing fix a huge medical problem does it have to do with the goverments "activation"

NANITE1018

Monday, July 10, 2006 5:12 AM

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Originally posted by Yrogerg:
OKay thanks for the prev stuff that helped guess i should get those comics and read up. Other things come to mind about the movie. Like why does River get better so quickly how does such a simple thing fix a huge medical problem does it have to do with the goverments "activation"

Oh, well sure she is traumatized from the experimentation and she can no longer push her emotions to the back of her mind. But she no longer has that horrible truth tearing apart her psyche. Now that it's out, that she knows it consciously and others know it too, it is no longer tearing her apart. The secret about Miranda was a major part of her instability. Now, with the help of medication, she should be able to be a normal super-hyper intelligent girl.

I aim to misbehave.

ZOID

Monday, July 10, 2006 10:04 AM

Yrogerg asked:

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...why does River get better so quickly how does such a simple thing fix a huge medical problem does it have to do with the goverments "activation"

Actually -- in the real world -- the mechanics and harmful effects of repressed memories is fairly well recognized by mental health caregivers. A repressed memory of something so dire that it cannot even be examined consciously by the sufferer -- frequently a childhood trauma like sexual molestation -- can lead to a very wide range of bizarre and/or destructive outward behaviors. And the sufferer has no inkling what's causing them.

The fact that River was "alright" after her deeply buried memory is revealed (even though the memory "isn't mine and I shouldn't have to carry it"), is one of my favorite moments from the movie because the turnaround is frequently just that rapid in real life, too. Once the too-painful-to-recall trauma is brought to the surface, much of the sufferer's internal agony is lifted from them in what can be an astonishingly immediate way.

So, I really liked that moment, because it was 'real', and because Joss found a totally believable way to rehabilitate River in a single moment of self-recognition.

Now, whether the Alliance can or will still 'trigger' River's conditioned killing response is another question, entirely. But, if I was Mal I wouldn't let that girl anywhere near a Cortex-connected device... (NB: Now what's Mal gonna do for pr0n, whilst 'handling his plow'? Won't make Jayne happy either, I'd wager.

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Digitally,

zoid

P.S.
See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repressed_memory. And I just spent like 15 minutes trying to figure out Wiki's markup to add the Serenity reference to the "Repressed memories in popular entertainment" section (turned me into a newt, but I got better)...
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

AURAPTOR

Monday, July 10, 2006 10:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by slickt0mmy:
Sorry if this is a stupid question but why is it that in Safe, Mal says to Simon (after being rescued) "You're on my crew. Why are we still talking about this?"

Then, in the BDM at the beginning he says, "I look out for me and mine. That don't include you unless I conjure it does."

Why does Mal feel one way towards Simon in the series then another in the movie? Did I miss something?

"Put Book front and center. He's our friend; we should honor him." -Mal

Seems pretty simple to me. Mal and Simon have an agreement that Mal keeps the Tams on the move and away from the Gov't and Simon earns his keep by being the ships doctor. Times are tough, and Mal's in a desperate spot, which means he's gonna do what it takes to get out of a jam. That means making use of River.

Plus its important for the script.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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