Firefly has no chance at all :(

POSTED BY: FURYFIRE
UPDATED: Saturday, August 31, 2002 01:12
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FURYFIRE

Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:30 PM

Poor firefly, hardly a light. FOX is not behind this thing, it barely made the cut, only because it's highly promotable value and heavy production money already invested that it didn't wait til midseason. Even a terrific script from Joss & Tim cant stand against money. W/e drop that

Have you seen the promos? If I didnt know Joss was makin it, i wouldnt watch it, it looks horrible in the promos, but i know it will be a good show, unlike the onther 250million americans.

Friday nights? no show survives there on FOX, look at their track record.
Even if it was moved to a new night, where? Sunday's taken up with comedies now. Monday is D.E. Kelley night, Tyesday has struggler 24 that Wont be replaced, and Fastlane is a sure hit with todays mush brained audience, hey, Anna Nicole Smith's show kicked off with spectacular numbers. Fastlane will be around for years. Thurdays is Fox's bastard child. Saturdays taken. No room for Firefly, and John Doe is move heavily promoted.

Any comments from Critics keep saying Firefly is being retooled, although its not, the public still reads it as so. You could tell them Drew Carey is the illegitamite child of Bill Gates and the Pilsbury Dohboy, they'd believe it.

List your other reasons it will fail here, because I'm to tired to type more.

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

HAKEN

Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:48 PM

On the contrary, FOX is supporting the series. So far there's been a new trailer for Firefly for the past few weeks or so aired during American Idol, which, by the way, is probably their top rated TV show right now. In that respect, Firefly is getting a lot of press and possibly targetting the right audience who might give the series a chance.

MILLERNATE

Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:30 PM

I don't know Haken,

The above poster might be right in that it has no chance. First, Firefly's *only* chance of being renewed is that Fox is willing to accept a noticeable improvement over Dark Angel's ratings (about a .5 improvement ratings wise) as reason enough to renew it. A lot of people I've talked to seem to think that Fox is expecting another X-Files, which apparently got 7's and 8's in the Friday slot. If that is the case the show is dead. Secondly, the press seem determined to "bad buzz" Firefly to death by making any of the difficulties seem far worse than they are, making whatever rating it earns far worse than they actually are. If you don't think this can happen I'd gladly point you to a number of shows (usually sitcoms) that managed to earn good enough ratings and yet got pulled and the only concrete explanation was the continual harping on it by the press. Couple that with the fact that the *very* best Firefly can do is about a 4.1-4.5 for the season (which is well below an X-Files splash) and you have a very chancy situation, though admittedly this has nothing to do with Fox's support.

Nathan
"Being popular and well liked is not in your best interest. Let me be more clear; if you behave in a manner pleasing to most, then you are probably doing something wrong." - Janeane Garofalo, from "Feel this Book"

MOJOECA

Sunday, August 25, 2002 6:28 PM

FURYFIRE,

FASTLANE is a sure hit? I doubt it. And you're very wrong about promos. FIREFLY is getting just as much airtime as JOHN DOE, if not more. I've been watching FOX and FNC a lot this month to view those spots (because my VCR is wonky).

I think the trailers are cool. "Event" makes the show look epic. The only beef I have with the promo dept is that godawful FIREFLY poster that was passed out at Comic-Con.

As for misinformed critics, once they're given screeners for the first couple of eps, they can judge the show better. And the fall press junket will clear up any lingering confusion.

--- Joe

MOJOECA

Sunday, August 25, 2002 6:45 PM

I wanted to add...

I predict that the FIREFLY premeire will score at least a 10, then settle into a comfortable 6 or 7 average (if the show excites).

I'm optimistic.

EDIT: If the show becomes a critical darling with franchise potential, then FOX will be comfortable with that average, I think.

Again, I'm optimistic.

--- Joe

ZICSOFT

Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:36 PM

Actually the serious critics (the ones who actually do it for a living, not the glorified blogsters) are pretty positive about Firefly. They too cite lots of reasons why Firefly might bomb, but nothing I'd take seriously. Mostly complaints about the timeslot and nitwited advance PR. None of the complaints about the timeslot make any sense to me, and can anybody remember a show that didn't get nitwited advance PR?

MILLERNATE

Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:47 PM

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Actually the serious critics (the ones who actually do it for a living, not the glorified blogsters) are pretty positive about Firefly. They too cite lots of reasons why Firefly might bomb, but nothing I'd take seriously.

I wasn't talking about the critics, I was talking about the press. And pretty much every press story I've seen (that hasn't been about fawning over Joss Whedon, which he deserves by the way

) has been refering to Firefly as the "troubled show" or the "revamping series" and other language like that. The consistent drumbeat of these effects is a kiss of death to a series. Actually I haven't seen a whole heck of a lot of critical notice on this series at all (which is troubling in its own right).

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. None of the complaints about the timeslot make any sense to me, and can anybody remember a show that didn't get nitwited advance PR?

ER, NYPD Blue (for both this one and ER this is refering to "back in the day"), The Sopranos, The Shield (over done is not the same thing as nitwitted

), The West Wing, 24 (the only real draw back had to do with stuff they couldn't possiblely control), Alias (The PR for it makes it look better than its luke warm mix of every James Bond cliche known to man writing), the list goes on...

Nathan
"It looks like a great adventure...That's what it is; that's what it feels like. When I saw the pilot, it was really engaging. It was exciting. It was unusual. It threw me off every now and then. I think people will be grabbed by it." - Ron Glass, on the pilot, during an interview with the Indianapolis Star

MILLERNATE

Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:51 PM

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FASTLANE is a sure hit? I doubt it. And you're very wrong about promos.

I have to doubt your doubt

as I feel that Fastlane will end up a hit, and possibly a large one if West Wing falters in replacing Rob Lowe. Why you ask? Because of two competing factors. The first is that the American public has been embracing more and more braindead shows thus Fastlane looks right up their alley. Secondly, Fastlane looks very much like something I'm going to hate and because whatever governs TV is determined to have more and more programs I hate Fastlane will be a hit so it can stay on the air to bug me indefinitely

. Do I sound better to everyone else?

Nathan
"It looks like a great adventure...That's what it is; that's what it feels like. When I saw the pilot, it was really engaging. It was exciting. It was unusual. It threw me off every now and then. I think people will be grabbed by it." - Ron Glass, on the pilot, during an interview with the Indianapolis Star

FURYFIRE

Monday, August 26, 2002 2:04 AM

Critics dont really have an effect on the show, its press. PRESS. Bad press ahs already killed it. fastlane is a hit, who would even watch West Wing and Fastlane? What type of person would that be? Bill Clinton? Well him and no one else, Fastlane is a mindless show that suits FOX.

John Doe IS recieving more promos, as FOX has it on a high rank of promotional rotation )if you know what that is).

Firefly might get a good start on the premiere due to curiousness, but will tank after that, and could be killed by the baseball strike too.

I dont want Firefly to loose, but come on, we cant kid ourselves here.

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

MOJOECA

Monday, August 26, 2002 3:16 AM

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Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
I dont want Firefly to loose, but come on, we cant kid ourselves here.

I don't want FIREFLY to loose either. Hopefully, Joss pulled it taut.

Since News Corp. owns TVG and EW, FIREFLY will probably get the cover of both of their fall previews, or at least lots of face time. No press is bad press. I see nothing on FASTLANE.

--- Joe

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