Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.
POSTED BY: pastorbadger
UPDATED: Thursday, November 22, 2007 09:57
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Well, I have to say, this was really interesting to read. Even if it does seem like a huge stretch, it was fun to imagine for even a few moments that Wash might've survived. Hmmm.
I wouldn't count this theory out as a possibility, but I'm not sure I can believe it's the truth.
No matter what, though -- whether you believe this, want to believe this, can't bring yourself to believe this no matter how much you want to, or just plain think it's nuts -- this was an incredibly well-thought-out theory and an enjoyable read. Brilliant work! You're very clever, Pastorbadger.
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"Oh God, oh God, we're all gonna die." - Wash
"I'm a leaf on the wind..." - Wash
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I agree
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thats an incredibly interesting theory. Joss Whedon broke my heart when he "killed" Wash. it would be amazing to see him again.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Okay, got it. Whatever happened in the movie (from Wash's mortal wound, to his death gurgle, and the fact that the Alliance was too busy fighting a massive battle to bother with performing miraculous first-aid on a guy they were essentially trying to kill anyway) - irrelevant.
The script - irrelevant.
Joss' stated intentions - irrelevant.
Joss' insistance that Wash is very, very dead - irrelevant.
Joss' promise that no-one comes back from the dead in the 'verse - irrelevant.
Alan's insistence that Wash is dead, and his admission that he thought it was best for the character - irrelevant.
The only thing that seems to be relevant is your insistance, contrary to all evidence, that Wash is "100% alive".
Gotcha.
It is irrelevant. Joss Whedon changed his theory about the Reavers to better suit a feature film. If he wants to change what he wrote before from "dies" to "was seriously injured," well, then that's up to him. And if you've ever seen Buffy or any of Joss Whedon's other work, you know he feels he can change his mind all he wants.
Another thought - This thread won't die! Those of us shouting "STEERING COLUMN" aren't the ones who won't let it die either. We're not in denial. It's the ones denying that it's possible who won't let this argument rest.
"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."
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My theory as too why Wash is dead:
He had a big stake through his chest.
He had a BIG stake through his chest.
He had a REALLY BIG STAKE THROUGH HIS CHEST!
This is FireFly, not star trek. They didn't bury him on a moon created by some kind of "Genesis Device" that will miraculously revive his fetted corpse minus his mind, which was passed on to Serenity through his "Vulcanised Rubber" mind meld.
They won't rescue him, planet exploding around their ears in Serenity 2: The Search for Wash, and they won't take him to mount cyanide where an ancient Gosling ritual won't be used too reunite his body with his mind that has been hilariously melded with the ship, not leading to an earlier scene where Serenity tells Mal if he ever looks at Zoe like that again the ships going to vent all the oxygen into space.
He's dead, dead as a can of spam, and they buried him (there's a clue, don't know about anyone else but around these parts we tend to bury DEAD people, you know, people who are dead, not ones that are just sleeping of a minor stake through the heart flesh wound), take solice in the fact that it's party time for all the little worms, because unless they're magic worms he's not coming back.
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Do i want Wash to be alive, of course i do. We all do i think. But in all likelyhood he is in fact very dead, and will stay dead.
So if Wash really is dead, what happens now? Well i read some posts about how Zoe might become like a mothery figure to the crew. I think, unfortunately, that might already have been taken by Inara, as she is described as a kind of maternal figure for the ship. But it's possible that Zoe might become a motherish figure. If not, you could still have her be a stone-cold killer as well as a grieving wife, maybe. Hey, how about her start to treat River as kind of her kid? idk, that doesn't seem like it could work, but maybe they could develop some sort of relationship. And Inara could definitely sort of fill in as the conscience of the ship, which used to be Book's job. And she could expand slightly her role as a maternal figure.
And then of course you have Wash's place to fill in. Who could that be? Well, River could definitely be the new pilot because as Mal said "clearly, there's some ... aptitude." Give her a month and she'll be flying just as good as Wash did. And maybe she could inject some humor, not much, but some. I mean she was kind of funny in the series, partly because of her uber-logical nature ("day is a vestigial mode of time measurement based on solar cycles. it's not applicable. ........ i didn't get you anything.") So i could see her being kind of funny. Idk, she definitely wouldn't be a perfect Wash, but she'd be okay. And in space you don't need a pilot that often, just take-offs, landings, and some mid-course corrections and things. So most of the time on a planet, and possible on jobs, if her Reader skills were needed, she could be away from the bridge. And a lot of the time in space too. So she could still be big character, and still have her relationship with Simon, which would change a lot due to her no longer being super-crazy. Just mildly disturbed.
Simon and Kaylee might become sort of like Zoe and Wash. I mean, Simon is pretty darn funny and he will constantly screw up in his relationship with Kaylee. Over and over and over again. And she'll forgive him over and over and over again. So that would inject some humor into it as well, and there would be the whole relationship thing between them which would allow something of romance to the show that Zoe and Wash added in a limited way.
So Wash isn't absolutely necessary, and Book is not absolutely necessary either. The surviving character's could fill in most of their duties, simply out of their natural personalities i think.
Book: What are we up to, sweetheart?
River: Fixing your Bible.
Book: I, um… What?
[Pan over to River, who works on a book with pens, brushes, and loose pages.]
River: Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logistics… doesn't make sense.
Book: No, no. You - you can't...
River: So we'll integrate non-progressional evolution theory with God's creation of Eden. Eleven inherent metaphoric parallels already there. Eleven. Important number. Prime number. One goes into the house of eleven eleven times, but always comes out one. Noah's ark is a problem.
Book: Really?
River: We'll have to call it "early quantum state phenomenon". Only way to fit 5,000 species of mammals on the same boat.
. . .
Book: River, you don't… fix the Bible.
River: It's broken. It doesn't make sense.
Book: It's not about… making sense. It's about believing in something. And letting that belief be real enough to change your life. It's about faith. You don't fix faith, River. It fixes you.
Personally, i'm on River's side of that one.
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its a nice story...and has a lot in common with the fellow who got his friggin eye shot out by Mal and left for dead in "Serenty" part 2 (the tv episode...lol). In the comic book, hope not to ruin this, but hes alive! Granted with a robotic eye n all that...but nevertheless, he was probably sitting there forever bleeding out of his eye and he was alive and kickin...until he had a run i nwith a certain browncoat again.
Even so...kind of an unlikely story...well put tho
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Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
My theory as too why Wash is dead:
He had a big stake through his chest.
He had a BIG stake through his chest.
He had a REALLY BIG STAKE THROUGH HIS CHEST!
This is FireFly, not star trek. They didn't bury him on a moon created by some kind of "Genesis Device" that will miraculously revive his fetted corpse minus his mind, which was passed on to Serenity through his "Vulcanised Rubber" mind meld.
They won't rescue him, planet exploding around their ears in Serenity 2: The Search for Wash, and they won't take him to mount cyanide where an ancient Gosling ritual won't be used too reunite his body with his mind that has been hilariously melded with the ship, not leading to an earlier scene where Serenity tells Mal if he ever looks at Zoe like that again the ships going to vent all the oxygen into space.
He's dead, dead as a can of spam, and they buried him (there's a clue, don't know about anyone else but around these parts we tend to bury DEAD people, you know, people who are dead, not ones that are just sleeping of a minor stake through the heart flesh wound), take solice in the fact that it's party time for all the little worms, because unless they're magic worms he's not coming back.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
You seem to be under the impression that a really big steak through the heart will kill you. It doesn't always do so today, it surely doesn't in Wash's time, and the point of "STEERING COLUMN!" is that it didn't even do so in the 1960's on Earth That Was.
Please read the whole thread before you post. And if
I had no idea what I was setting upon the world when I started this post. It is truly the thread that wouldn't die.
Hey, if the thread won't die, how can Wash? "He's not really dead as long as we remember him." As a fictional character, I submit doubly so. ;)
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Quote:Yeah and someone survived a pole through the brain once but 99% people die, and if you see someone get a pole through the skull in a film and they slump down looking pretty much dead and everyone leaves them as dead we can pretty much take it as writ that they are dead, no matter how much it'll make you cry.
Originally posted by pastorbadger:
You seem to be under the impression that a really big steak through the heart will kill you. It doesn't always do so today, it surely doesn't in Wash's time, and the point of "STEERING COLUMN!" is that it didn't even do so in the 1960's on Earth That Was.
Quote:Please check your facts and actually watch Serenity before you post. The EMP plainly came from a Reaver ship, and since you are obviously not all that invested in your own opinion or you poorly reasoned 'theory' why should anyone else be?
Please read the whole thread before you post. And if"it's too long to read all of it", well then, since you just aren't all that invested in your own opinion to make it worth the time, then why should anyone else here waste the time reading yours?
So what's your cunning and well thought out plan to resurrect Book, no wait let me guess, Book wasn't really shot, the projectile was stopped by a can of tomato soup, which is why it looks like he was bleeding, and the reason everyone thought he was dead was because he had passed out after eating a dodgy burrito.
After all we all hate real life consequences being portrayed in shows, that's why we're not on a FireFly fan site not discussing Firefly and we are on a Star Trek website discussing how a neutron surge through the bus b buffer brought Scotty back to life through a freak convergence of the space-time continuum.
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Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Yeah and someone survived a pole through the brain once but 99% people die, and if you see someone get a pole through the skull in a film and they slump down looking pretty much dead and everyone leaves them as dead we can pretty much take it as writ that they are dead, no matter how much it'll make you cry.
Please check your facts and actually watch Serenity before you post. The EMP plainly came from a Reaver ship, and since you are obviously not all that invested in your own opinion or you poorly reasoned 'theory' why should anyone else be?
So what's your cunning and well thought out plan to resurrect Book, no wait let me guess, Book wasn't really shot, the projectile was stopped by a can of tomato soup, which is why it looks like he was bleeding, and the reason everyone thought he was dead was because he had passed out after eating a dodgy burrito.
After all we all hate real life consequences being portrayed in shows, that's why we're not on a FireFly fan site not discussing Firefly and we are on a Star Trek website discussing how a neutron surge through the bus b buffer brought Scotty back to life through a freak convergence of the space-time continuum.
Well! Aren't our panties just all in a bundle?
You made yourself look a little foolish : the "EMP came from a reaver ship/no it didn't/yes it did" argument has been dealt with ad nausium. Again, read the thread and everyone else's opinion before you steal some more considerate soul's time.
Resurrect Book? As a man of the cloth myself, I'm just as happy to see his character go. How would you feel if they had, say, a "fry cook with an evil past" character? Wouldn't you take it personally?
Finally, as for the pole through the head foolishness, that topic has also been well covered by witty and well-meaning folks who took the time to read. I'll spoon it to you : No one says it's likely in the real world. It's just well within the realm of possibility. It gives hope to those in need of it.
(Here's where you splutter an adolescent rant about how important your opinion is and what a yob I am. Take the bait. C'mon. Look! I'm crossing your bridge...)
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