How gay is Superman?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Sunday, July 30, 2006 08:37
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Quote:Ms. ShadowBUG, don't get me angry.
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Grow up boy.
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
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Anyone seen the movie and think Superman is a little creepy? I'm not that into Superman (more Spiderman and Batman), but I REALLY LIKED this movie. But there are some things I notice now as an adult that I didn't notice when I was a kid. Ok, I always noticed Lois is completely lame in the movies. Hard to see how she's supposed to be so strong, capable, and intelligent (not a Whedon woman).
Maybe a little spoiler here, but nothing big you couldn't guess from the trailer.
So, having a guy float outside your house and watch you with his x-ray vision? Uh, that's completely stalker. Not cool, even though he's hot. And the "let me show you something" flight after she basically says she wants to stay with her new (dependable) family also seems like something a nice guy wouldn't do. That one might be splitting hairs, but the thing that bugs me actually comes from the end of the 2nd move. The roofie-kiss. If nothing else, Joss has taught us that erasing someone's mind is never a good idea.
Don't let me give anyone the wrong idea. I really did love the movie. I'll probably see it again and buy it. Highly recommended.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
The magazine The Advocate had this on last month's cover, over a picture of Brandon Routh in the costume, and in it, it explored the 'bold queer attitude' of the new wave of superhero films.
I thought this might make for a lively discussion.
What do you think?
We're not Hetro, we're Metro, get used to it Chrisisall
Grow up boy.
Chill out, dude.
Yeah, Superman certainly seems to have stalker tendancies. As the website says, he's a bit of a dick, too. I mean, I get it. What's the saying? "Absolute power corupts absolutely." Plus there was that whole his planet got blown up and his real family is dead.
Something that bugged me about Smallville was that Lex, who evolves of course into a villian, was a really nice guy and a good friend. Sure he had his dark side, too, had to, but damn he was a good friend! And Clark is an ungrateful and undependable dick. I thought it was just the WB writers, but no, now I find there was some precedent for it. Heh.
Well really, though, how could it be interesting if he had no character flaws? It's not like he ever loses a fight or anything.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Ms. ShadowBUG, don't get me angry.
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Grow up boy.
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
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obviously some over compensating going on there...
luckily Chisisall is secure in his manhood.
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Originally posted by Aerin:
Anyone seen the movie and think Superman is a little creepy? So, having a guy float outside your house and watch you with his x-ray vision? Uh, that's completely stalker.
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Don't forget about him being a dead beat dad. What's he owe, about five years of child support?
I honestly didn't think he was creepy but I did have a few laughs with the guys I was with on this subject.
The whole gay thing is pretty damn stupid. Back when the character was created there wasn't exactly a large outed gay community in the U.S. so no one looked at things the way they do now. As for the costume, what is acceptable for a superhero? Should he wear a suit or maybe jeans and a tee? Think I'll go with Bryan Singer's answer to the "is he gay question" and say "he isn't". Why do so many gay people believe everyone is gay?
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THAR BE SPOILERS HERE MATEY!!
OK, I'm still trying to figure this Superman/gay thing, despite the way Superman is portrayed. Let's go thru this checklist:
Did Clark Kent talk/ask about Lois Lane? Check.
Did Clark seem upset when he found out that Lois had a child and live-in boyfriend? Check.
Did Superman go to Lois' house at night to see her in her house (very stalker-ish, I agree). Check.
Did he give her (another) bird's-eye view of the city? Check. (Trying to remember the first Superman movie. Was it the city?)
Did he almost give her a kiss on the lips (only to be stopped by her)? Check.
Does he chase after a major hottie? Check.
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And last, but not in the least, did we find out that he has a son with Lois? Check.
I kinda think some gay writers were projecting some wishful thinking here, and the other men who think Superman's gay may be ready to come out of the closet soon.
The other possibility is he's bi-sexual. Yes! That's it! He's after Lois' boyfriend!!!!!!
But gay.
Nope.
D'uh.
Just my two cents.
Everyone dies alone.
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And last, but not in the least, did we find out that he has a son with Lois? Check.
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Awww...now that takes the fun out of the Mallrats arguement on whether she could carry his child or not...
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Originally posted by singate:
As for the costume, what is acceptable for a superhero? Should he wear a suit or maybe jeans and a tee?
Superboy beat him to it.
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:Quote:
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As for the costume, what is acceptable for a superhero? Should he wear a suit or maybe jeans and a tee?
Superboy beat him to it.
the X-men had switched to the cool leather clothes,
but Marvel made Joss put them back into the spandex
tradition does count for something....
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And last, but not in the least, did we find out that he has a son with Lois? Check.
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Awww...now that takes the fun out of the Mallrats arguement on whether she could carry his child or not...
I had the Mallrats discussion with my brother after the movie!
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He figured Lois got impregnated when Superman gave up his powers in the second movie, thus she was capable of having his child. But Superman's powers weren't completely gone so the kid inherited some. This is one of the memories Superman would have erased with the kiss. Eeew! Imagine what a shock that would be - finding out you had Superman's kid when you had no memory of sleeping with him. I believe it happened some other time.
I agree Superman is a deadbeat dad. He seems to think it's ok that some rich, clueless guy raises his son while he just pays occassional visits. Yeah, that's healthy. And I get the sense Lois really thought the boy was Richard's son. So she was sleeping around? If she knew it was Superman's son did she shop around the Daily Planet looking for a rich dad?
I guess flaws are what make characters more interesting and easier for us to relate to.
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