Joss and Firefly

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UPDATED: Tuesday, July 4, 2006 10:22
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NANITE1018

Monday, July 3, 2006 2:31 AM

Well reading about Real ID, i don't care for it too much. Don't despise it, but don't like it either.

My main point in all of this is that it doesn't have to be that way. Who you know doesn't have to win out against what you know. The world can be better.

The solution to overpopulation is exactly what it was (kind of) in Firefly: space colonization. Yes, i am an enormous space enthusiast. I think our only hope, our only future is an exapansion into space.

I agree also that the only way to bring down the Machine is the largest grassroots campaign the world has ever seen. But i think it is possible. And i also agree that if things get bad enough, if the Machine becomes wasteful enough, destructive enough, and intrusive enough, i think it might just be possible to organise the "proles" as Orwell called us. And just as Winston thought, that day, when the people unite and wake up for the first time in history, we will simply shake off the Machine. We will rise up against the Machine and smash it, crush it, destroy it. We will have done the impossible and as Whedon said "that makes us mighty".

Mal taught me some stuff too. To never give up. Book taught me something else. If you can't do something smart, do something right. And the Operative taught me something else. Remember when he said to Mathius "have you looked at this scan carefully doctor? At his face. It's love, in point of fact... something a good deal more dangerous." I think in the big picture that can be thought of as this: if people love, if people have compassion and believe in their fellow humans, then the Machine will on that day be destroyed. For on that day we will unite, and the Machine cannot and will not win.

Never give up, and do the right thing. The Machine might be really powerful, but we, the people, the proles, the Browncoats, WE are mighty. WE are the ones who can change the world. And the day WE decide that we don't think the Machine is a good thing, that it is evil and destructive and tyrannical, on that day WE will have our victory.

I aim to misbehave.

KANEMAN

Monday, July 3, 2006 4:02 AM

The Machine knows we are not created equal...Just ask it! It has the data to prove it..Don't think so? Just ask it. Most days It can usually be found foraging for fodder with the ravenous mega media and Pr troops. Every voting season It can be found scavenging with the political tribes, meticulously picking over the carcasses of the brain dead populous who either believe "We are all created equal" or "I am better than you". The only ones remotely shielded by this alliance of personal information hording are those who understand we are not created equal and admit that the machine is correct. Only then are you free to enjoy the spoils of a rich and fruitful life without the guilt the machine would have you feel. Only then can you personally face adversity without blaming or depending on another....You see the machine not only knows who, what, where, and why you are. It can control your feelings and thoughts.... Example,...Can make you think there is a real difference between Democrats and Republicans, when in fact the idea of political parties was created just to feed the machine by separating the masses into two easily prayed upon flocks...

WHITEFALL

Monday, July 3, 2006 7:39 AM

I just went looking for this thread, and it twas gone. For the love all things good and philosophical i have to bump this.

Wow.

I. Love. This. Board.

CHRISISALL

Monday, July 3, 2006 8:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

For myself, Buffy and Angel were too farcical.

Zoid, I love your posts thusfar, you are a spiritual light on this site, and I recommend you write a book on spirituality and the true meaning of life, BUT, you really need to see all seven seasons of Buffy to understand what it's about. I gave up twice on it, and came back for more, and the end justified my meager means.
It's so very Joss, I don't know how you can stand to miss it, metaphorical vamps and demons notwithstanding.

Proselytizing Chrisisall, wondering if he can spell....

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 3, 2006 2:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Whitefall:
I just went looking for this thread, and it twas gone. For the love all things good and philosophical i have to bump this.

Wow.

I. Love. This. Board.

I'm confused. Could somebody please explain?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Monday, July 3, 2006 2:24 PM

6ixString

Can I point out to you the lovely little emoticon. While words are just words, we try to keep things a least a little child friendly.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 3, 2006 2:57 PM

Your right, of course. I appreciate that we're in an uncensored environment. That doesn't mean that I should go right ahead and needlessly abuse that privelage.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with swear words we know that are kids are either going to use in the future, currently use, or have other words to describe the noun or verb the original swear represented. (tell your kids to stop saying skeet) I laugh everytime the FCC fines another radio jockey for swearing when the content of the program realistically is much more offensive then the occasional swear word they're getting sued for. I've heard the FCC is trying to enforce a 5 minute delay on all radio stations. It's just my opinion that the FCC has used swear words to legally gain control of the content that the radio stations are and are not able to play. If they had a 5 minute delay on all radio stations, there's a whole lot more then swear words that could be censored.

I used to stay up late on weekends when I was a young teenager to watch Cinemax to catch shows like the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Video and Madonna's Truth or Dare and see some skin, but now you can pretty much turn on TV any time of the day and see all the skin you want even on network TV dramas, sitcoms and cop shows. But no matter how warped and perverted the programming that we and our children recieve from the television, I can take solice in the fact that the children never have to hear the word , or hear somebody say "God" before "Damn" and praise Allah, they will never see the image of Mohammad.

But I do understand that some people just simply do not like this type of language. I will truthfully make an effort to curb the swearing. You know that I'm going to have call you out if I ever catch you swearing now.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."

EMBERS

Monday, July 3, 2006 3:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Can't figure out why I didn't watch it other then the fact that it was on WB. I love vampires, leather and beautiful girls. Maybe that rediculous movie put me off too.

Just a note: a lot of people think that Buffy the TV show is in anyway related to Buffy the movie,
they are not.
Joss wrote the screen play for the movie but it was thrown out: partly by a director who wanted to 'camp' it up, and by Donald Sutherland who should have been handling the exposition but wanted to ad lib his way through all his lines (thus deconstructing all the metaphor and 'sense' behind the plot)

The TV show is entirely Joss' baby and is not at all ridiculous... the fact that Zoid writes it off as 'farce' shows that Zoid had only seen the movie and had judged (misjudged) the TV show on that basis.

I would encourage you to watch the TV show because I think you would find it really has more to do with Campbell's 'Hero's Journey' and other great mythic symbolic tales than any silly teen show you could imagine.

But I'll confess I was also late coming to Buffy, because I had also seen the movie.

And may I throw in here: this is ALSO why we push for Equality Now:
it is true that not everyone is equal, but who gets to decide? Those who want to generalize on the basis of prejudice? Because that has been the 'decider' traditionally.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Monday, July 3, 2006 3:15 PM

No worries. You will catch me swearing, but only with the fg button!

LOL

ZOID

Monday, July 3, 2006 10:50 PM

embers wrote, in part:

Quote:
...the fact that Zoid writes it off as 'farce' shows that Zoid had only seen the movie and had judged (misjudged) the TV show on that basis...

First, I didn't say Buffy and Angel were "farce". I said they were "farcical", meaning "resembling farce", according to Websters. Monty Python is farce, because it intends to be. Buffy and Angel are farcical -- to me -- which is exactly how I put it in my first post.

Second, I saw Buffy The Movie and kinda liked it. It was campy and featured Paul Reubens, whom I've liked since the Cheech and Chong movies. The continuing problem is that I don't like Buffy The Series. I have tried watching both it and Angel, and I'm sorry, but it doesn't grab me like it does y'all. And yes, it's mostly to do with the combination of cheerleaders/mallrats, vampires, prosthetics and cheesy special effects. (NB: Sorry, Loni. I really loved y'all's work on Firefly and BSG, though. I think ZOIC got better at their craft, just like Joss did.)

However, unlike those hereabouts who insist that everybody watch and then fall ga-ga in love with Buffy and Angel, I'm not adamant that anybody see things my way. Quite the contrary, I encourage others to watch Buffy and Angel... And then make up their own minds.

If you like it, great. If you love it, fantastic. If you find teenaged cheerleaders, demons and vampires too farcical to be intellectually engaging, well... At least you can know that you're not alone...

Not Apologetically,

zoid

P.S.
My hometown Houston Astros are playing a farcical brand of baseball, right now. I only wish it was a farce...

P.P.S.
Kristy Swanson could kick Calista Flockhart, er, Sarah Michelle Gellar's scrawny little butt... If I'm going to get 'hated' by the Buffy fans, I might as well go for the gold, hmm?
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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