outlaw star
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Quickie about the Ringu/Ring so-called rip-off.
The "Ringu" idea was SOLD to a US company with the permission of the original production company. So in essence, how is it a rip-off if it has permission to be remade for a foreign (American) market?
"Ringu" is pretty basic with its SFX. "The Ring" is pretty heavy with the eerie SFX - Call "The Ring" a remake - not a rip-off.
Look to "Ju-on" that was remade into the American "The Grudge" they even had the director from "Ju-on" direct "The Grudge". Point taken?
Business in the international film market is more widgy than one might expect.
Thank you for your attention. I feel MUCH better having said that. 
"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"
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Originally posted by pedme84:
yes, there are elements of outlaw star. the show is also reminiscent of many other japanime shows including cowboy bebop, trigun, etc.
I read outlaw stars once ago and I don't think is thaaaat similar... yes, ok, there's some similarities... there's the space... and a ship. And there's people in the ship. And there's a girl weird in the ship and... uh... something else?
Now... Trigun and Cowboy bebop... there's some similarities there too. A rip off? hell no!
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then there's my theory about hollywood's conspiracy against anime. it's used by american writers all the time. i could go through a list for you, and these would only be the ones that just i have noticed.
Then it wasn't just me?
I mean, they are not even that subtle with common Japanesse horror movie (I loved The Ringu, then saw the american one and laughed my head off)... a remake of a film that was done less than a year ago?
I'm sorry, because I'm not tryong to be mean, but USA producers and director must not have a high idea of their fellow-citizens if they think they need to re-tell a story in an easier and nicer way for them to understand it (see The grudge and the Rign (american one)).
And when they do it with anime...
Hello? Atlantis? Tanned girl? blue stone? Nadia???
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most people see anime as pokemon and sailor moon, and can't take it seriously. (my message to these people: watch Grave of the Fireflies)
I've not seen it, it0s in the list, but I understand [ and comprehend ] what you mean.
I mean... Hiroshima.
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so they never notice when oh, say, Disney shamelessly rips it off.
this is definitely my fav anime rip off. the opening to the lion king is taken frame for frame form the opening to a japanime show that is called something like...
Kimba the White Lion. i do not lie. i don't know where you could get your hands on this, but you can go see for yourself.
It's Simba if I recall it right, they don't even changed the name... and I've seen part of the anime series (the put it in Catalonia some long year ago) and it was like.... WTF? They could at least have changed something.
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and they're holding hostage my myazaki movies! if they would just release nausicaa and laputa, they wouldn't be able to rip them off unnoticed anymore(like with Atlantis). oh, pity.
Miyazaki san ^_^ That's some great stuff... I loved both of those movies, yet my favorite one is Mononoke Hime (I think it was translated by 'The proncess Mononoke').
Another funny point:
In Spain the translated Laputa for Lapuntu, because Laputa in spanish means literally TheBitch. Ans we use it also as a bad mannered surprise expression (like Holy fuck!). So we'd had a movie rated for kids but that was saying thinks like:
"Holy fuck, a castle in the air."
or
"Look, it's TheBitch!!"
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but joss typically borrows. the one example that i can see best is that second season (and third season) of buffy very very much takes from the movie Blade.
I don't see that similarity, sorry. Maybe a little for er... nope, sorry.
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These other influences are taken and then sent through these particular characters, and joss does it so delightfully well, in my humble opinion.
Everyshow, movie, film, book or play ave been influenced since the first caveman heard his caveman buddy explain ho he'd hunted a mountain sized two headed killer mamut and decided his mamut would be three headed and with some art interests, just to make it more credible.
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that's why i don't call it a rip off. the opening sequence to the lion king, now that's a rip off. esp. since they pat themselves on the back for it so much.
Couriously enough, as a friend made me notice, Lion King is nothing but a big mix between Hamlet and Richard the III.
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i had actually wanted to know about this, though:
Do otaku watch this show? Can they appreciate it, or do they all write it off as a rip off? Any otaku on thNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by CapnRahn:
Quickie about the Ringu/Ring so-called rip-off.
The "Ringu" idea was SOLD to a US company with the permission of the original production company. So in essence, how is it a rip-off if it has permission to be remade for a foreign (American) market?
I wouldn't call it a wise decision, yet it isn0t a rip off, that's true.
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"Ringu" is pretty basic with its SFX. "The Ring" is pretty heavy with the eerie SFX - Call "The Ring" a remake - not a rip-off.
The problem with the so-called remake of Ringu is that the movie itself was scary in spite of not having huge SFX, yet I'm sorry but I found the american one rather funny.
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Woman playing main charachter:
Watch, this is a CLUE.
[Shows the clue to the camera]
I know it is a clue because I found it with a label saying: CLUE
[Shows the label to the camera]
Now, what this CLUE says is that [insert random spoiler stuff], and I'll re-explain all this twice so just you'll get the idea... did I said this was a CLUE?
And I'm going to find another clue somewhere else... although I'm not sure why I'm going there.
Look, a horse!!
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Look to "Ju-on" that was remade into the American "The Grudge" they even had the director from "Ju-on" direct "The Grudge". Point taken?
They got the director and even the same bloody cast... they made the same scenes... the same scare points... the same dialogs... I'm still to find the point in that.
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Business in the international film market is more widgy than one might expect.
Thank you for your attention. I feel MUCH better having said that.
^_^ Thank you, I loved the opportunity of discussing this too.
Aps, and please, forgive my english mistakes, not my natural language.
Take me back to the black, tell 'em I ain't coming back.
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Originally posted by dblade:
Hmmm. I think some people need to actually watch the show before yelling rip-off. So far they haven't convinced me with any argument beyond the superficial "girl in box". Maybe a detailed comparison of the plotlines would state your case better.
Daryl B.
I think that Firefly is an excellent show with many imaginative additions to the already fertile world of science fiction, which is no small feat. However, to say that it is not derivative of Outlaw Star is, in my view, unsupportable.
There is the expansion from Earth into outer planets, where the planets further out are the roughest. There are the major forces that correspond to the pirates (the reavers, whose ships actually grapple), the government, and the ragtag-but-good outlaws. There are certain similarities between the characters (the exotic independent, the excitable fighter, the childish mechanic), and especially the captains. There is the constant seeking of jobs, some illegal, to keep the crew paid and the ship fuled. There is the gradual addition of improbable members to the crew.
There is also a mystery that drives the plot and centers upon a gifted young girl with black hair who is discovered frozen in a box and relentlessly searched for because she is the key to a secret. Even the signature engine firing of Serenity is aesthetically identical to the signature firing of Star's spirit gun (which, in repose, looks just like Mal's).
Absolutely there are important differences. But Outlaw Star, which itself borrows heavily from Star Wars, etc., must be seen as a model for Firefly. I mean no offense, but Firefly is a sort of Outlaw Star II.
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I just read the summaries for the Outlaw Star episodes.
Magic, catlike aliens, and a group of Kei Pirates whose leader is a small girl. The mysterious frozen girl is involved in a plot to make use of a magical galactic leyline.
Other than outlaws and space I'm not even sure where the similarities begin.
Once you start exploring the specifics the stories aren't even close.
No Outlaw Star II. Sorry.
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Ok, I agree that Firefly is not a ripoff of Outlaw Star.(I've seen all of Firefly+Movie and just watched all of outlaw star) However there are many similarites.
1) Obviously the girl in box thing.
2) The way the both get money, by doing strange jobs without being criminals.
3) In one episode of outlaw star They are given a password, "Miranda" for some files.(this Miranda is named after someone not a planet.)
4) The "girl in the box" Melfina can be "turned off" and "on" by certain phrases.
5) Planets can be terraformed.
I don't think Firefly is a ripoff of Outlaw Star but I like to think that the creators of Firefly were maybe inspired by Outlaw Star.
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Originally posted by nighthawk:
i dont think joss whedon even watches anime.
I think he might.
One episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, a character mentions Vegeta from dragonball z.
("Maybe I'll be like that vegeta guy from dragon ball z" or at least it was something like that.)
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