Browncoats that served, of know someone in Iraq right now...

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FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:00 AM

A whole damned lot of my friends are over there, and a couple of them came back in pieces already, one of them from clearing a field of unexploded US cluster bombs with two trainees cause we're so damned short of EOD techs over there, given what tends to happen to them - and it *does* happen, sooner or later... that was our mess he was cleanin up, folks.

I actually copied some of this thread to one of them (he was interested) and lemme quote Casper to ya, and just to make SURE it's completely understood here, he's talkin about you, Hero.

"The fact that we're probably gonna die for people like that makes me wanna puke right now."

Even the guys not in the sandbox are horrified by the situation, like the radio tech who was ordered to strip all of the radio equipment from another units vehicles and send it on up the chain to replace combat-lossed stuff...

Now imagine this guy watching in horror as the unit his crew of techs just stripped of all their vital communications gear (and in all but the most critical cases, that's a deadline on the vehicle, No-Go, capisce ?) get deployed and shipped over there without ANY communication gear but the radio sets they managed to grab from WalMart when the orders came down ?

I don't blame our boys completely for slaughtering anything in their gunsights, but nor do I respect that loss of discipline - however, the responsibility for that goes up the chain of command, right in the laps of the chair polishing armchair quarterbacks back over here in their nice, safe, air conditioned bunkers.

There's not even anything I *can* say to some of them to comfort em, about the only hope I can offer is more smokes, candy and batteries for the gameboy... and the monthly Maxim, a rather popular mens magazine that isn't on the prohibited list.
You wanna pitch in ? here - http://anysoldier.com/index.cfm

I help with the refurbished computers end of it to some degree, but mostly I do a *LOT* of unofficial 'readjustment counselling' for these guys (something the service pointedly does NOT offer) when they run smack into the wall trying to re-adjust to civilian life and come to terms with actions they've taken in a military environment when viewed from a civilian perspective.

You send a troop some smokes and jerky, he's not gonna care one whit what your political affiliation is, nor whether you believe he should be there or not, cause he's dealing with the more important issue of not coming home in a bodybag... all he's gonna care is that someone gave a damn enough to send HIM something to make his day that much better, instead of a cheapass chinese magnet on the back of a gasguzzler he prolly won't live to even see.

There's how to put yer money where your mouth is.
-Frem

PS - oh yes, so far, they love firefly, the few that have been on a secure station long enough to make use of a dvd player, so if you wanna spring for a copy, by all means....

RUE

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:14 AM

dbl post

RUE

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:14 AM

Frem,

How can I help those over there and those coming back?

OLDENGLANDDRY

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:50 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Plus your refusal to believe in the Divine Right of Kings is just plain ridiculous.

Finally, a good line. Made me smile...even a mild chuckle.

As for PN, everybody agrees he makes big with the crazy talk. Thats bad. Me, the jist of my argument is: Bush, good. Liberals, bad. If thats an opinion you disagree with, then fine, have at me. But you folk seem long on insults and short on argument. So I make with the funny but don't change my opinion. Liberals don't like it when you disagree. Seen it in court, classrooms, and right here right now.

There's no our point of you, your point of view, its just "your a dick" or "shut up" and you can't win with that...me I win just by playin along cause in the end I accept your notions for what they are and they don't change mine except to make me more sure (although, in some rare instances, my opinion has changed from discussion, education, or some current event...its the open mind part of being a good debater, part of why I don't often lose in court).

H

O.K. The "your a Dick" part was short sighted of me but heres the thing; Every post you make sounds a little more like PN, not because their crazy but because their self-centred. That last line about how you seldom lose in court could have come straight out of the PN "I'm a winner" handbook.
And by the way, there are political denominations other than just "Liberal". In the U.K "liberal" has a very different meaning to the broad Tar-brush that you are giving it, and I would hazard a guess that most of the people that you call (by implication) Liberals in your posts are'nt anything of the kind.

CITIZEN

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
me I win just by playin along cause in the end I accept your notions for what they are and they don't change mine except to make me more sure

Funny, because every time you post with nothing even bordering on an argument then qualify it by saying something like "your a liberal which means your evil and have no right to an opinion" while saying it's Liberals that make those distinctions I get the same feeling.

It's funny how you want to 'stop' Liberals for not thinking in 'Hero approved' ways, then accuse other people who are just speaking their minds of being against freedom of speech.

Go get 'em Hero, anyone who doesn't think in a way you've rubber stamped is 'evil' and 'attacking the moral fabric of the nation' and 'against freedom of speech'. Now there's a word for those kinds of beliefs...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

SASSALICIOUS

Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:26 AM

A friend of the family (I actually think he's some sort of cousin) is over there right now with the SD National Guard. I can't remember everything he asked for for Christmas, but it was all stuff he needed to do his job, including a compass. A COMPASS FOR GOD'S SAKE!

I respect people who sign up for the military a lot. I will not bash them for fighting when they come back. I will tear apart our government for fighting (as I see it) a pointless war. I will tear apart our government for sending our troops to fight without proper equipment.

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:38 AM

Frem- your post just makes me wanna cry.

I've got great O-NEG blood. Any way to donate to the cause?

I'll be pitching in some more too. In all the bitching and griping I do about Bush it's easy to lose track of the guys out there. Sometimes I forget... I vow never to forget again. Tell your buddies that we're thinking of them. And thanks for the link to "anysoldier"
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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

ZISKER

Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:59 AM

To learn about donating blood straight to the army, visit: http://www.militaryblood.dod.mil/

'cause Red Cross charges . . .

They're also short since most US soldiers aren't eligible for donation due to deployments. Somebody ought to organize a Browncoat blood drive ;)

If you can't do something smart, do something right.

HERO

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:10 AM

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
That last line about how you seldom lose in court could have come straight out of the PN "I'm a winner" handbook.

Your only saying that to satisfy your gangsta-govt german-knight-of-the-britsh-empire-pedophiling-masters like War Criminal Queen Elizabeth. Get real, nobody talks like PN.

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And by the way, there are political denominations other than just "Liberal". In the U.K "liberal" has a very different meaning to the broad Tar-brush that you are giving it

What? You mean the political distinctions of the word change its definition over both time and distance. Don't let the "Troll Killing Mom" hear that or she'll come after you next. Although I'm glad to see someone else agreeing with the points I made arguing "liberal" interpretations of the word liberal.

H

HERO

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:16 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by Hero:
Funny, because every time you post with nothing even bordering on an argument then qualify it by saying something like "your a liberal which means your evil and have no right to an opinion"

Actually what I'm really saying is that "your a liberal which means your opinion is wrong."

If you were'nt so evil you wouldn't have gotten that so wrong.

Liberals, not evil, just wrong. Me I'm conservative and I find that makes me all kinds a right.

H

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