I told you so

POSTED BY: rue
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SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:41 PM

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Thats why we couldn't rely on Mr. Blix...like you said they needed more time to finish their inspections, but the conclusion had already been reached.

BULLSHIT

Unless you have psychic abilities and could actually read Blix' and all of his team's minds, you have no idea what they were thinking. You're projecting my conclusion onto them. Since you CLEARLY don't know what you're talking about I'll bet you didn't know that David Kay was on the UNMOVIC Team, and that he was convinced up to the time that Bush chased them out of Iraq that Saddam did have WMD- just as the other US team member (you look up his name yourself- HINT: He was Marine) was convinced that Saddam did NOT have WMD. But just keep doing what you do best- tossing out completely unsupported statements.

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Sure we could have waited 6 more weeks or 3 more months. By then it would have been unfeasable to launch the invasion in the worst of Iraq's weather months, so we would have waited another 3 months

So? We would have waited another three to six months. But if Saddam had a weapons program, then is was seriously hidden in other words NOT DEPLOYED- and not an imminent threat.

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On June 23, 2004, U.S. forces seized 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium in a nuclear facility in Iraq.

WHOA!! You mean they had NUCLEAR MATERIALS at a known NUCLEAR FACILITY?!?!?! MY GOD!!! HOW SHOCKING! What might they find next??? Cement at a cement plant?

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UNSCOM in 1998 discovered that in 1996 Iraq had produced fresh bombs laden with mustard gas...

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!! That is the exact opposite of what UNSCOM said. I sure hope you don't lie in court like you lie here!

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four tons of growth media for biological agents remained unaccounted for in Iraq

HOLY CRAP! Agar went missing!!! Compelling evidence that... agar went missing!

Wow Hero, I'm impressed!

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RUE

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:02 PM

I found your source. It is a Times Herald article which is here: http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16827398&BRD=1672&PAG=
461&dept_id=33380&rfi=6

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The Congressional report you mention can be found here: http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf

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The text of the unclassified portion of said report (which occupies less than one page) is:

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Key Points

-- Since 2003 Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.

-- Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist.

-- Pre-Gulf War Iraqi chemical weapons could be sold on the black market. Use of these weapons by terrorists or insurgent groups would have implications for Coalition forces in Iraq. The possibility of use outside Iraq cannot be ruled out.

-- The most likely munitions remaining are sarin and mustard-filled projectiles.

-- The purity of the agent inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives, and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal.

-- It has been reported in open press that insurgents and Iraqi groups desire to acquire and use chemical weapons.

As to your post (which was lifted slightly scrambled from the Times Herald 'news' article):

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Thats why we couldn't rely on Mr. Blix...like you said they needed more time to finish their inspections, but the conclusion had already been reached.

You and Unwrapped have a lot to discuss. He argues Hans Blix was certain there were WMDs, therefore it was the best intel available, therefore Bush was right to invade.

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Sure we could have waited 6 more weeks or 3 more months. By then it would have been unfeasable to launch the invasion in the worst of Iraq's weather months

So why the rush to inavde? If he'd been contained for so many years w/out inspections, what was going to happen with ongoing instrusive inspections? Manana was a credible option.

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the small portion of the report that was declassified reveals 500 chemical weapons munitions

see above

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On June 23, 2004, U.S. forces seized 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium in a nuclear facility in Iraq, according to the Energy Department.

Sneaky of you to include extraneous material under the 'declassified report' heading. It really didn't belong there, as it was not in that report. Anyway, it was old material previously under UN oversight ...

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UNSCOM in 1998 discovered that in 1996 Iraq had produced fresh bombs laden with mustard gas...also noted that four tons of growth media for biological agents remained unaccounted for in Iraq.

The news article you lifted this from referenced documents which are not in the government database. I could find NO supporting evidence for the claim of fresh bombs. And agar was 'undocumented'. Cleanup on the jello aisle.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:03 PM

So let's see... tossing out the lie about UNSCOM and mustard gas (you see, I actually read the UNSCOM report), the libelous statement that UNMOVIC was in Saddam's pocket, the completely expected finding of nuclear materials at a known, inspected nuclear facility (which took the USA several years to finally secure- must not have been high up in the priorities list, eh Hero?), degraded shells left over from 15 years ago, a serious concern about missing jello, and the fact that the United States government isn't telling us a A THING about all the recent-vintage weapons that they found (proof positive that they found some! After all, you know how sneaky those bastards are in the WH!) we are left with... a full-blown case of paranioa. And that's about it.

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RUE

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:20 PM

What Zero fails to address is Bush's own demand that Hussein and cohorts leave Iraq as the only way to avoid war. Complying with the UN wasn't enough.

HERO

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
BULLSHIT

Unless you have psychic abilities

Must be, I just knew what you were going to say. Its not psychic though...I don't think your capable of anything else.

1.7 tons of nuclear material is 1.7 tons over the limit...but not your limit. Everything on the list I gave you is beyond what was allowed, but not what you'd allow.

Its almost like you were getting a share of the Oil for Food scam like most of the UN, French, and other international officials and corporations (including a couple American). You make excuses like you've been bought off. I know thats not true, so there must be another reason although I suspect reason is not involved all that much.

H

RUE

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:28 PM

And on a slightly different tack, I don't think it's paranoia. The 'news' article Zero plagiarized was slanted, with claims that were either unsupported or erroneous. Then Zero compounded the disinformation, blending facts and selecting bits, all produced with a (virtual) flourish of conviction (ahem) and sincerity.

It's possible he gets away with that in a court - the pretense of truth - but it's harder to get away with that here.

No, it's not paranoia. He's just doing what he knows best.

HERO

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:32 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
What Zero fails to address is Bush's own demand that Hussein and cohorts leave Iraq as the only way to avoid war. Complying with the UN wasn't enough.

It was never a consideration until it was issued, days before the war. Saddam could have complied, but chose not to. When the ultimatum was issued, we'd reached the point were compliance was no longer an option.

It was never really fair for Saddam after September 2002. If Saddam complied, he stood a good chance of losing what influence and power he had...at best another Qadafi, at worst...gone. By the time the war started he was in a corner with no way out except surrender. Good thing its not important to be fair to brutal dictators. I'd feel bad if Saddam were a nice fellow.

H

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:50 PM

Well, and the fact that we were bombing communcations centers, radar installations and other targets MONTHS in advance of chasing out Blix.

The evidence says to me that the only forgone conclusion was the invasion.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:52 PM

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1.7 tons of nuclear material is 1.7 tons over the limit

What limit? Show me "the limit". Bet you can't.

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Its almost like you were getting a share of the Oil for Food scam like most of the UN, French, and other international officials and corporations (including a couple American).

You may find this hard to believe, but I happen to be interested in the truth. And the truth is that Saddam had WMD. HAD. He used them. He was a horrible bad man. But he deperately wanted the sanctions lifted (which implies that they were doing what they were supposed to do) and so he destroyed most of them. All of the scare tactics that Bush and his adminstration used to justify an invasion THIS MINUTE BC IT CAN'T WAIT! : mushroom clouds, mobile biolabs, WMD deployed around Bagdhahd and Tikrit (which we never found), the "connection" to AQ... was just so much bullshit.

Unlike you, I work with the military on chemical weapons detection. (Air Force and DTRA to be exact) Everyone that I talk to thinks the same as I do. At least we know shit when we smell it.

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

RUE

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:18 PM

Zero,

You're babbling again.

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Originally posted by rue:
What Zero fails to address is Bush's own demand that Hussein and cohorts leave Iraq as the only way to avoid war. Complying with the UN wasn't enough.

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Originally posted by zero:
It was never a consideration until it was issued, days before the war. Saddam could have complied, but chose not to. When the ultimatum was issued, we'd reached the point were compliance was no longer an option.

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