I told you so

POSTED BY: rue
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GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:23 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
And meanwhile, "Hero" is notably absent from making a cogent case for WMD.

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My theory is that Hero suffers from multiple personality disorder....

and hero and piratenews are one and the same

http://psychologydoc.com/multiple_personality.htm

If you want evidence refuting agrguements made by the " Hero " personality, I suggest that approaching the " Pirate " personality made be the place to start....

But whatever you do, do not confront the " Hero " personality with arguements and positions made by the " Pirate " personality or vise versa... a torrent of irrationality is sure to result.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:01 AM

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But whatever you do, do not confront the " Hero " personality with arguements and positions made by the " Pirate " personality or vise versa... a torrent of irrationality is sure to result.

Oh? You mean we've been treated to a torrent of rationality before? heh heh heh

I'm still waiting for that cogent argument.

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GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:13 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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But whatever you do, do not confront the " Hero " personality with arguements and positions made by the " Pirate " personality or vise versa... a torrent of irrationality is sure to result.
Oh? You mean we've been treated to a torrent of rationality before? heh heh heh

I'm still waiting for that cogent argument.

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No.... I don't mean to give anyone nightmares

But imagine the merging of the two personas

the entrance of the " PirateHero "

If Rues suggestions are correct and one or both of the personalitys are in politics we would have a monster

A man for any position... and a simultaneous condemnation of that lifestyle

Some one who could justify the absurd, and make the rational seem crazy

Up is down ,right is left , Hillary is sleeping with Dick Cheney

Such a man could rise to be President in the US

and that would be even more scary than Bush ( by a margin )

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:02 AM

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:32 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

I'm still waiting for that cogent argument.

The Enterprise came back through time and beamed the stockpile into space in billions of molocules to discredit GW's war, doing so will avoid the Eugenics War started by President Jeb Bush and his Vice-President Hillary Rodham of the mid-21st Century, thus restoring the timeline that was to be before a Ferengi helped GW win the 2000 election.

I just thought I' tell y'all before it gets announced...

Got sources Chrisisall

HERO

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:02 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

I'm still waiting for that cogent argument.

Its an argument you can't accept. On one hand I claim they found WMDs and point to the all the WMDs they found. You say they didn't and point to all the ones they didn't find. There's no room for argument between those positions.

I had a pedophile case last year. Guy had taken photos of a young girl in explicit poses. In trial I held up the photos and said "sex". His attorney held them up and said "art". In this case I am holding up the Sarin Gas Warhead and saying "dangerous WMD" you are holding it up saying "not damgerous and not WMD". Its still a Sarin Gas Warhead and a violation of the 1991 Cease Fire and a dozen Resolutions...I doubt if Saddam'd discolsed the inspectors would have said..."nah, keep that one its ok."

My question for you is do you think the war would have been justified if we'd found any WMDs? And what in your opinion is a WMD (types and numbers) that you would have accepted? If we'd found under his bed a single, brand new, fully loaded prohibited warhead...would that have justified the war more then a few hundred old weapons with varying degrees of viable use? Or is the war unjustified for any of the reasons given (including but not limited to WMDs)? If that is the case, then the WMD argument is not relevant in your opinion.

H

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:45 PM

Hero, you are once agin mis-stating my postition. I accept that they found pre-1991 vintage, degraded chemical weapons shells and also missile engines with a range larger than allowed by the UN (120 miles instead of 90- which BTW were destroyed before the invasion). Take that where you will. Show me how it's meaningful, if you think it is.

My opinion about those weapons is that they were hidden before and abandoned or lost after the first Gulf War and did not indicate any ongoing weapons program. And since the weapons have been USELESS for years and represented a significant downside for Saddam with no possible upside they could not possibly represent an effort by Saddam to evade or subvert UNMOVIC inspections. (motive lacking)

The degradation of Sarin is not a matter of subjective opinion (art v sex) it is a scientifically verifiable fact- one that any CSI lab would be able to tell you. As a prosecutor, I would expect more respect for evidence from you, and the fact that you play so fast and loose with facts makes me cringe. I feel pity for your townspeople, because the one thing that a bad prosecutor does when convicting the wrong person is to let the REAL perpetrator loose.

There is, OTOH, evidence that Saddam did actively destroy thousands of WMD after 1991- both physical and documetary evidence. HIS problem is that he didn't order an accounting of the weapons that were destroyed and thus could not fufill the demands of the UNMOVIC inpsectors, who were left to piece together an accounting.

However, if your next argument is that the presence of old, degraded weapons proves the presence of an active weapons program and 2003-vitange weapons, then you've got a whole lot of explaining to do. So, make your case. Show us the evidence.

Tell us EXACTLY what you suspect Saddam of doing, when he did it, and bring us the evidence. So far, you've weaseled and waffled and I'M STILL WAITING. Unless you come of with something more than half-finished suspicions I'm going to consider your argument is- as it has always been- BULLSHIT.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:28 PM

Oh, and BTW, if you want to know what I would have done... I would have waited for Hans Blix and UNMOVIC to finish their inspections. It would have only taken several more weeks... maybe up to three months... to reach the conclusion that Kay and Duelfer reached after-the-fact: that there was no active WMD program and that most of the previous WMD had in fact been destroyed. Bush's urgency to invade before the inspections could be finished is what tipped me off to the fact that something was really f*cked in the White House.

IF Hans Blix could not have certified Iraq (data not indicative of an active weapons program but not with the level of assurance that he would like) I would have referred it to the UN for consideration. Given what I know about the inspection program (it was painfuly intrusive- think body cavity search- despite lack of full UN support or full cooperation from Saddam) I would not have felt the need to rush an invasion, altho I might not have lifted sactions.

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SOUPCATCHER

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:52 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Bush's urgency to invade before the inspections could be finished is what tipped me off to the fact that something was really f*cked in the White House.

For me as well. I started noticing it many months before we invaded - this push by the administration to get us in the war as quickly as possible while at the same time saying that war was a last resort.

The impression that I got from Bush was that he was a used-car salesman, trying to make the hard sell and get your money before you realized the frame was rusted through. It's the big reason I started to pay attention to the administration's case for war. I've found in the past that those who push me to make a fast decision never have my own best interest in mind - quite the opposite - so it sends alarm bells ringing when I see that behavior.

HERO

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 6:18 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh, and BTW, if you want to know what I would have done... I would have waited for Hans Blix and UNMOVIC to finish their inspections. It would have only taken several more weeks... maybe up to three months... to reach the conclusion that Kay and Duelfer reached after-the-fact: that there was no active WMD program and that most of the previous WMD had in fact been destroyed.

Thats why we couldn't rely on Mr. Blix...like you said they needed more time to finish their inspections, but the conclusion had already been reached. But its not uncommon for folk to make conclusions first before the facts are out. I assumed Bush was right about the WMDs...and look, turns out we found them.

Sure we could have waited 6 more weeks or 3 more months. By then it would have been unfeasable to launch the invasion in the worst of Iraq's weather months, so we would have waited another 3 months and about that time there'd be a new initiative and gee can't we wait 3 more months for more talky talky and then more inspectin and maybe another 10,000 pages of mixed notes in Arabic to with a few more weeks to review and then its Presidential election time in America and if you fight then its only about getting reelected and so on round and round and round.

Oh, and the small portion of the report that was declassified reveals 500 chemical weapons munitions and "On June 23, 2004, U.S. forces seized 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium in a nuclear facility in Iraq, according to the Energy Department. Also, U.S. Department of Energy specialist removed 1,000 radioactive materials in "powdered form, which is easily dispersed,".
UNSCOM in 1998 discovered that in 1996 Iraq had produced fresh bombs laden with mustard gas...also noted that four tons of growth media for biological agents remained unaccounted for in Iraq. Gee, I wonder what the rest of the report is about (Syria?).

Nah, it was all an accounting error...he left his weapons program in his other pants and was as shocked as us to find it and a twenty dollar bill in the dryer on laundry day.

H

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