THE FORSAKEN - Cocytus

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UPDATED: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 17:20
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PDCHARLES

Monday, June 26, 2006 4:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
And McDonalds looks like cardboard, requires chemicals to prevent it tasting like cardboard, has been proven to quickly damage your health so actually I think my sentence was also a statement of fact.

Do yourself a favor... smoke pot before u eat at Mcdonalds... or preferably don't do either...

Buddy of mine is reading this and I'll get it next...

http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/books/schlosser.html

EDIT: wait a minute... I am NOT saying get high and then go munch out at Mcdonalds... (although funny).. I AM saying if u had a choice between a joint or a big mac.... etc. etc.

OH and... 98%

CITIZEN

Monday, June 26, 2006 4:43 PM

Edit:
As I came off more confrontational than I should of done:
I'm not going to discuss it with you. My statement was meant as an extreme example, I was not guilty of doing anything save lending an example.

Theres a big difference between doing something and giving an example.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, June 26, 2006 5:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
If my statement implies the things you have decided it does the other one certainly implies the things you have decided it does not.

Obviously we look at the english language in very different ways.

When I read:
"98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature."

I see:
A certain part of a certian group have done a certain thing, if you are not part of it, do this.

It would be the same if I said:
"Most Americans have set foot in America, if you are one of those that has not, say so."

It is true that most Americans have been in the country and some have not, it is a result of the fact that American citizenship is given, at birth, to the child of an American and there is no requirment for them to ever enter the country, or indeed the hemisphere.

When you read this does it imply that those who have been here are somehow worse? If it does then we really have very different ways of interpreting things.

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When I read
99.99% of people choose to eat deadly tasteless cardboard, if your one of the 0.01% who don't...

I see:
A certain part of a certian group do a certain thing involving [pejorative adjective] [pejorative adjective] [pejorative noun], if you are not part of it...

Other than the tense and the fact that you end one phrase before PR there is only one thing that is different: the pejoratives.

I mean if I don't abstract it then I suppose I could say that there were more differences, for example you emphesised the choice, PR didn't even mention it. But what I'm looking at is that instead of saying, "food," you said, "cardboard," and instead of leaving out adjectives you chose to put in two that are quite negitive in this context.

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Also, you said, just now when you edited the post that I'm replying to, that the food has chemicals in it to change it's taste, how can it change it's taste if it has no taste? How is the fact that it has a taste to change a support of the statement that it is tasteless?

I agree that it quickly damages your health, by the way, as you pointed out so too can tomatos. Apples can kill as well. I happen to like apples. Then again I lost ten pounds and lowered by blood pressure by eating at McDonalds five days a week, I don't do it anymore and I've gained the weight back, such is life.

But I'm getting off track.

My point is about the pejoratives, nothing more. What I should have said is that PR stated unbiasing fact. Even if what you said is indeed unbiased fact it clearly presents an image of which of the two groups is better, at least in so far as their eating habits, whether that image is correct or not is not what I care about.

What I care about is that the statement you were equating it to, the part that was announed to "all and sundry" in a signature, contained no implication of which group is better in any aspect of anything.

It would have been easy enough to make it similar, just say:
"99.99% of people eat at McDonalds, if your one of the 0.01% who don't..."

And add that if you were ever asked why you would then put in the whole, "deadly tasteless cardboard," though I have to say I still think that's more negitive than simple, "poison." I mean poison is in fact a delicacy in some places and certainly isn't even close to being universally deadly. People poison themselves all the time for fun or highs, it isn't even always illegal.

The fact that you chose to do nothing of the stort and instead make a comparison that made not sense lead me to believe that you were, probably, joking. Apparently I was wrong, to some extent.

BSCPANTHERFAN

Monday, June 26, 2006 5:16 PM

I encourage anyone wanting to debate pot, hemp, or various functions of that plant to research just how the ban on pot happened in the first place. The large paper companies were being threatened by the small and medium-sized hemp farms, because hemp has such a variety of uses beyond just the fact that the plant makes pot. The fibers can be used for fabric, they make a better grade of paper or parchment(the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are written on hemp parchment), and as a renewable resource, the plant can be grown to maturity faster and cheaper than trees. The paper companies lobbied Congress to get hemp outlawed based on the drug properties of the plant because they knew the other side of the argument wouldn't fly with the American people.

Just as a reference, I have never smoked pot, but if I get cancer someday, I will have a grow room for the chemo nausea.

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

13

Monday, June 26, 2006 5:19 PM

Phoenixrose, where'd you get the SOuth PARK stuff!?

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'I don't know. He seems kind of peculiar.'

'Maybe he's Canadian!'

BSCPANTHERFAN

Monday, June 26, 2006 5:25 PM

FMF!
Hugs and kisses to you!! We're glad you are back among us. Thanks for the gear and the toddies, and let us know when you are ready to cut a rug!

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

CITIZEN

Monday, June 26, 2006 5:30 PM

Except your still taking my comments out of context and changing the overall meaning, the general thrust of what I said. The sig in question is nearly always used in order to empathise who has the moral high ground and which set of peer pressures are more correct, that was the sentiment of my post.

There is an inherent and obvious bias to the pot statement, which you choose not to see, one supposes because you agree with it, which is also why, I would guess, you choose to blow what I said out of all proportion, and context.

I have no wish to turn these threads into a flame war, so now I'm going to withdraw, still without anything placed in my sig, which still shows your earlier accusation of me "doing what I'm arguing against" is plaintively and demonstratably false.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Monday, June 26, 2006 5:31 PM

Thanks BCS

And may I weigh into the Pot/McDonalds tiff to say - Geezus Peezus people lighten up!

This is in fact one of the most absurd arguments I have seen in a long time and you are hi-jacking what is supposed to be a happy thread. If you can not play nice I will eject you from the FORSAKEN and into TIMEOUT!

signed
MOM who is fed up and ain;t taken it no mo'
But I say this with LOVE!

PENGUIN

Monday, June 26, 2006 5:38 PM

*gives mom a big hug* Well said!

BSCPANTHERFAN

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:05 AM

And we love you too!

How have you been? Are you recovered enough to dance around the fire a bit now?

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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