I told you so

POSTED BY: rue
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RUE

Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:27 PM

Fremdfirma,

I know that what I have to say is superfluous, but it is honest and completely heartfelt: you are awesome.

So please accept my deeply-felt thanks for your service and sacrifice, and my humble respect.

Sincerely,
Rue

HERO

Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:51 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Hero, put up or shut up.

Either march your ass down to the recruiting office this very damned instant or shut the hell up about how we need to be in iraq.

Ah, another pro-Draft liberal. Well I don't favor the draft. I think the all-volunteer military is exactly what we need.

There are limits to the ability for citizens to volunteer. Age is one, medical disqualification is another. When I graduated lawschool in 2002 I wrote to my Congressman and both Senators suggesting the change both the enlistment age and revise the prohibitions against certain medical disabilities (ones that don't neccessarily render people completely disabled in today's world...like vision or poor hearing or flatfeet, etc.) for the reserves or national guard (in order to free up more able bodied soldiers for combat duties). Since then the Pentagon has revised its enlistment standards (for example you can now sign up till your 42).

Your argument is essentially that if a person has not served or chooses not to serve then they have no voice. While you and Heinlen make excellent points, that is not our current law. I would suggest that were your standard universally applied, then most liberals would suddenly find themselves without voice. Its a compromise I'd be willing to make. Imagine, no more Sheehan, no more Moore, just a couple congressional Democrats and about 20 million Republicans.

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just about all of them are liberals, so how do YOU reconcile that, would-be-hero ?

At the funeral last week there were hundreds of veterans from this war and past ones...the only liberals were the handful of long-haired types waving signs across the street...(To be fair, there is that radical right wing anti-gay group thats been protesting at funerals...but they didn't show for this one. Just the local anti-war crowd.)

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And if 25% of my original equipment wasn't prosthetics and plastics, my poor ass would have been out there with em, like it or not.

Sorry to hear about your disability. Shame you can't serve...guess that means you can't put up and wont shut up. Makes you kind of useless...just like me...only I don't let it get me down.

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"Hell no, sarge, I ain't killin for haliburton no more!"

Leavenworth or not, THAT is heroism, too.

I'm sure it does take courage. Takes courage to walk into the local drug store saying "Gimmie all the cash!". There's lots of courage out there, not all legal, not all prudent, and not all bout doing the right thing.

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So until you put your money where your mouth is, mister, and go take the ASVAB, I don't wanna hear a damned thing from you about Iraq - you haven't the right (morally) to be saying we should send our friends, lovers, brothers and sons into hell, when you are unwilling to go yourself.

I'll meet you there, the day they take your 25% plastic ass, I'll be next in line. Least I'm trying to get the policy changed so folk like me and maybe you can serve if we want to (in a support capacity at least). I can JAG as good as anybody and you can bitch and moan...good army need both.

Now that said, I've been known to help out the folk who are serving. Helped one Marine get his liscense back, gave money to help put a local Army reservist's daughter through college after he dies defending this nation in Iraq (I dare you to tell his daughter different and if you had the courage to tell her, then I suspect I'd have the courage to kick your ass for breaking her heart just a little more, although there'd be a line...maybe we could charge admission with proceeds for charity...what do you say?)

Looking over this message and yours I think we both have gotten a bit too heated. I leave my message unaltered because I think it makes good points but I apologize if I got carried away on the emotional content.

H

HERO

Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:09 PM

You fella's crack me up.

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Originally posted by rue:
First of all he's suckling on the tit of a system he claims to despise, which is big-government public-service (as a prosecutor). Now if he were really into free-enterprise he'd get some courage together set up a business of his own. But he doesn't (cowardice), he blathers on about the evils of government (hypocracy), and he takes its money (self-serving).

Can't say I don't like a good tit to suckle on, actually I could make a ton of money in private practice...but then I couldn't throw wife beaters, drug dealers, and PirateNewies in jail. My loans are small enough that I don't really need the money. Sure I don't have much money now, but I have a nice condo, a car and in a few years my estranged Grandfather will kick off and I'll have plenty of money. So until then, I'm happy to serve my City, my City is happy to have me, and the only people who arent happy are locked up in County and I don't really have to worry about them till Monday morning.

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I believe he wants to run for public office (chief prosecutor?), so his attending these funerals is purely a political move (cynicism). It's his initial campaign strategy. I think we all realize he has no sympathy or respect for the deceased or their bereft (sociopath). But his personal brand of smarm? - I don't know. Does that sell in Ohio?

Yeah it does. It was me out there for politcal gain and everyone else who knew him there to be with me for the photo op...wish I'd thought to bring my camera. I could run for County Prosecutor...our current one is a Democrat who has botched more cases then anyone I know (not because she's a Democrat, she's just a poor manager, personally she needs to hire outside the party since all the good Democratic lawyers are out there representing the criminals).

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He's obviously a republican (which speaks to him being coniving).

Thats only because I work for a Republican mayor...believe me, I'm prepared to be a Democrat (there are conservative Democrats out there) if my job required it. Here, let me try...health care, yeah! Welfare, yeah! Terrorists, boo! Child molesters, yeah? Damn...need to work on that one. Locally it really doesn't matter what your party is, try this...zoning amendment for commercial development of vacant industrial property by the river, yeah!

H

HERO

Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:13 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Fremdfirma,

I know that what I have to say is superfluous, but it is honest and completely heartfelt: you are awesome.

So please accept my deeply-felt thanks for your service and sacrifice, and my humble respect.

Sincerely,
Rue

You've got a little something on your nose...

H

RUE

Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:46 PM

Zero,

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Can't say I don't like a good tit to suckle on, actually I could make a ton of money in private practice.

But the first rung to public office and the fame and glory you feel entitled to is as prosecutor. Private practice just doesn't give you the same entre.

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It was me out there for politcal gain

Which is why you very publically attend EVERY military funeral in your district - because you are close personal friends with every soldier who died in combat. Let me ask you this - for every 1 killed there are 10 permanently handicapped. If the ratio holds, you are also close personal friends with every soldier injured as well. What do you do in private for those close personal friends, if anything? Oh, and another point you didn't address - how does your personal brand of smarm sell?

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Thats only because I work for a Republican mayor...believe me, I'm prepared to be a Democrat.

Oh, I could tell. I believe I used the word opportunist.

And as to what might or might not be on my nose, it is neither brown, nor white, like the mix of colors on yours.

RUE

Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:05 PM

Zero,

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Your argument is essentially that if a person has not served or chooses not to serve then they have no voice.

Now there's a straw-man argument for you. That is not what he said or implied. What he said was that you need to get off your self-righteous hobby-horse and walk your talk.

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At the funeral last week there were hundreds of veterans ...the only liberals were the handful

And you know the political persuasion of every one of the hundreds at the funeral. Amazing. You must be clairvoyant. (And you need to get a grip on this - you don't have to be conservative to respect the sacrifice.)

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Makes you kind of useless...just like me...only I don't let it get me down.

Oh, Zero, this was SOOOOOOOooooo low and so very, very careless. You missed this:

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-Frem
76x10 Subsistance Supply Specialist
E-3/Private First Class
(Yeah, I was the guy who gets those MRE's to the troops, and you think about how 'safe' that job is before you mock it.)

Now here he just told you how to put your ass where your mouth goes. And you completely blew it.

So, to get back to the original point, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH WMDs?

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:42 PM

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Sure I don't have much money now, but I have a nice condo, a car and in a few years my estranged Grandfather will kick off and I'll have plenty of money.

Between this and your attendance at military funerals of all your so-called "close friends" ... Hero, you've got all the charm of a vulture sitting on the bedpost. Will you eulogize and cry crocodile tears at his funeral too?.

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wish I'd thought to bring my camera

Ummm yeah... like the local newspaper wasn't there.

Thanks Rue. Hero by his own words is an opportunist.

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 25, 2006 6:30 PM

Here's another one:

Bush has a vendetta against the CIA. Not because they gave him bad intelligence but because they tried to tell him the truth:

In addition to my previous post with quotes from CIA agents who repeatedly tried to eliminate the Administration's false alarms about 9-11 and Iraq, here is today's article from cnn

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A former CIA officer says he made repeated efforts to alert top agency officials to problems with an Iraqi defector's claims about the country's mobile biological weapons labs but he was ignored, the Washington Post reported Sunday. CIA officer Tyler Drumheller said he personally crossed out a reference to the labs from a classified draft of a U.N. speech by Secretary of State Colin Powell because he recognized the source as a defector, code-named Curveball, who was suspected to be mentally unstable and a liar.

So let's see... The CIA tried to eliminate references to mobile labs, they tried to eliminate references to yellowcake uranium, they tried to eliminate references to the Atta-Hussein connection (because there was none) and they tried to warn Bush about a pending al Qaida attack on the USA. And what did they get in return?

One of their NOC officers was outed, they got blamed for "bad intelligence", their chief resigned and was replaced by a martinet which led to mass retirements and resignations, and their agency- which really had been doing a good job all along- was eventually subsumed under a Bush toady (Negroponte).

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 26, 2006 2:50 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
gave money to help put a local Army reservist's daughter through college after he dies defending this nation in Iraq

I feel bad for her loss, and maybe she needs to believe this, but you Hero, on the other hand, are being plain stupid.
"Defending this nation in Iraq"....

And I'll defend my home by jumping some teenage rapists in Cleveland....

Not that rapists don't need to be put away, but you get my point Chrisisall

P.S., no you don't, I guess

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 26, 2006 2:56 AM

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Originally posted by rue:

So, to get back to the original point, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH WMDs?

Help! My nexdoor neighbour has rusty coffee cans that smell like ketchup piled up in his yard! HE MUST BE INVADED!

Chrisisall

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