I told you so

POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Saturday, July 1, 2006 01:06
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SIGNYM

Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:05 AM

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Except the huge stockpile of chemical weapons they found but didn't tell us about...seems I might have mentioned that possibility some time ago or in layman's terms...I told you so. Although some people have wondered why they never told us about them. Perhaps they were allowing the Wrongocrats to dig themselves into a really deep hole.

Of course we know Iraq had chemical weapons. After all, we still have the receipts! This is what John "Death Squad" Negroponte had to say: www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf

First, it wasn't a "huge stockpile". They were found individually or in small clusters here and there... pretty much as they have been finding them all along.

Second, they are pre- Gulf War. Nothing of newer vintage. Basically they are shells that were either abandonded or squirreled away and forgotten in the hasty retreat of the Gulf War.

Third, they are degraded. The only chemical weapon that could survive 15 years of storage is mustard gas. All the rest of the stuff is useless. If someone wants to buy it, maybe we should just have a garage sale and let them waste their money. Nobody is saying that Saddam never had chemical weapons. The operative word is "had" (very past tense).

As far as having the biological and radiological weapons that Bush & Co claimed ....

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Those who forget history are doomed to.... uh, how does that go?

PIRATEJENNY

Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:46 AM

I told you that our civil liberties would be infringed upon and violated!!

PIRATEJENNY

Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:24 AM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Why not? They would. They have.

This is one thing that troubles me about the Democrats: the lack of a killer instinct. They shy away from impeachment when they should be talking about imprisonment.

They should be absolutely crushing every single Republican, humiliating them, labelling every single one responsible for the deaths of so many Americans and Iraqis. They should grind every senator, representative and campaigner into the dirt.

And you know something? I suspect most Republicans would respect that.

Totally agree with this post, we have to really take a stand because if we don't then we don't stand for anything!!

proud to be a Liberal, and I'm sure as hell not afraid to take a stand!!

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:55 PM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:

This is one thing that troubles me about the Democrats: the lack of a killer instinct. They shy away from impeachment when they should be talking about imprisonment.

They should be absolutely crushing every single Republican, humiliating them, labelling every single one responsible for the deaths of so many Americans and Iraqis. They should grind every senator, representative and campaigner into the dirt.

Oh yeah, I TOTALLY agree about that in the world- I meant here on the RWED, we might like to ease up just a bit on our fellow Browncoats who are still stricken with the sickness of Bush-rationalization syndrome. It's a hard pill to swallow for them (the TRUTH), and recovery is slow in completing

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A good jail sentance for many might make some in our government think twice (or hopefully more) before sending good men and women to their deaths over oil and puffed up chests.

Throw the book Chrisisall

RUE

Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:04 AM

second entry - global warming

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

RUE

Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:28 AM

Zero,

How many people in the Bush administration have been in military combat? There was Powell, but he got out. And then there was .... I can think of ... none. Pehaps you can come up with a name or two. Otherwise, I'll say that republicowards are always ready for others to die, as long as they get more $$$

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Originally posted by Hero:
Liberals, always willing to give you the shirt off of someone else's back.

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:13 PM

"Bush lied".

About everything pretty much. But here are some quotes from people who were there:

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... a CIA analyst warns Bush in August 2001 that bin Laden was planning to strike the U.S. Bush's response: "All right. You've covered your ass, now."

And

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In January 2003, with the war propaganda machine... At issue was the last in an endless series of draft reports about the connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. How many drafts? Miscik couldn't remember. The pressure from the White House -- and from the various intelligence divisions under the Vice President and the Secretary of Defense -- had started a week after 9/11." Miscik {CIA} had repeatedly shot down the bogus connections advanced by the war hawks, in particular the specious claim that hijacker Mohammed Atta had met with an Iraqi agent in Prague. But Cheney and Rumsfeld and their parallel-intel shops -- factories cranking out war-justifying lies -- kept putting them back in. Miscik had sent her final draft to Libby and Hadley a few days before, and told them this was it -- she wasn't changing it again. Now they were after her again. "'I'm not going back there, again, George,' Miscik said. 'If I have to go back to hear their crap and rewrite this goddamn report ... I'm resigning, right now.'

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:02 PM

Hero, put up or shut up.

Either march your ass down to the recruiting office this very damned instant or shut the hell up about how we need to be in iraq.

You see, while you and your friends are kicking back nice and safe in your cozy little gated communities, driving your gas guzzling SUVs - it's MY friends who are coming back in body bags, and you know what ? just about all of them are liberals, so how do YOU reconcile that, would-be-hero ?

Yah, while you and your conservative friends sit home cheerleading for an administration properly considered an abject nightmare world-wide, while you sit there and go on about how liberals are pansies, those dirt poor liberals are out there with their blood soaking into the sand of a country for naught more than the enrichment of corporate scum like KBR and Haliburton, who don't even have the motherfraggin decency to provide them with decent food and uncontaminated water for the obscene amount of money they're being paid to do so.

And if 25% of my original equipment wasn't prosthetics and plastics, my poor ass would have been out there with em, like it or not.

And while YOU, mister too-many-bolan-books, might think heroism only involves direct combat, lemme tell you something.

While undeniably it takes courage for a well-trained, physically fit 11B to take his well-maintained M4 with full LBE and a squad of equally effective grunts and engage the enemy, it takes the same amount of guts or more for the USAR Logistics troops driving that truck, with only ONE mag of ammo, a vietnam era relic M16A1 that may or may not even fire, no matter how well maintained (the crappy magazines supply companies get foisted on them contribute to this too), with no escort, no support, no air or arty cover, on a run that Command doesn't even have the sense to vary the time on, right up ambush alley in a softskin deuce and a half.

It also takes a damned lot of courage to look your company commander in the eye and tell him "With all due respect sir, you're out of your mind." when he issues an order you know is illegal - this specifically includes shooting at unarmed civvies who've wandered into your bivouac.

I can understand the folks who cut and run, the hell if I would blame them for bailing out on an aggressive war against a country that posed no *significant* threat to us, nor attacked us - it derides the entire purpose of the army, and *especially* the national guard, for them to even be there - but the folks I truly respect, and you won't see many newsclippings about these folks neither, are the ones who threw their rifle at the feet of their platoon Sgt and told him "Hell no, sarge, I ain't killin for haliburton no more!"

Leavenworth or not, THAT is heroism, too.

So until you put your money where your mouth is, mister, and go take the ASVAB, I don't wanna hear a damned thing from you about Iraq - you haven't the right (morally) to be saying we should send our friends, lovers, brothers and sons into hell, when you are unwilling to go yourself.

-Frem
76x10 Subsistance Supply Specialist
E-3/Private First Class
(Yeah, I was the guy who gets those MRE's to the troops, and you think about how 'safe' that job is before you mock it.)

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:38 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

It also takes a damned lot of courage to look your company commander in the eye and tell him "With all due respect sir, you're out of your mind." when he issues an order you know is illegal - this specifically includes shooting at unarmed civvies who've wandered into your bivouac.

Courage like that deserves respect...it's almost super-human...

"...a man's got a choice."
"I don't believe he does."

Well, at least Mal-like.

Chrisisall

RUE

Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:26 PM

SignyM,

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I dunno why but I still get an icky feeling every time Hero attends a funeral. It's almost as if he wants the glory to rub off on him w/o having to actually do anything... er, heroic... himself.

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He wants to be a Hero, but he can't.

I've been puzzling over him for a while. And I know I'm slow and other people have gotten here way before me, but ... it seems to me he is a typical republi-coward.

First of all he's suckling on the tit of a system he claims to despise, which is big-government public-service (as a prosecutor). Now if he were really into free-enterprise he'd get some courage together set up a business of his own. But he doesn't (cowardice), he blathers on about the evils of government (hypocracy), and he takes its money (self-serving).

I believe he wants to run for public office (chief prosecutor?), so his attending these funerals is purely a political move (cynicism). It's his initial campaign strategy. I think we all realize he has no sympathy or respect for the deceased or their bereft (sociopath). But his personal brand of smarm? - I don't know. Does that sell in Ohio?

He's obviously a republican (which speaks to him being coniving). That party has an efficient machine in Ohio that controls the entire election process (from registration to number of booths to local election officials who 'maintain' voting machine security). Throwing out the basis of democracy like free and fair elections, he went with the party that could get the job done - for him.

So, bottom-feeding cowardly amoral opportunist come to mind.

As to what he gets out of coming here with his one-man freak show, I have no idea.

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