I told you so
POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Saturday, July 1, 2006 01:06
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
Let's do Hero math.
2500 dead, tens of thousands wounded, civil war in Iraq, Iraqi civilians killed by the thousands, record deficit, no Bin Ladin, Afghanistan in chaos, and deteriorating foreign relations is justified by finding unusable gas made 20 years ago in corroded shells buried in dirt.
My math has different values, but overall the formula you describe is correct. For example, Iraqi civil-war is really foriegn sponsered terrorism and a limited Baath'ist domestic insurgency both of which are on their last legs. Chaos is Afganistan is really emerging democracy in a nation that has known not one year of stability or peace in more then a generation.
Now your math is very interesting...you start with the conclusion, Bush lied, and fill in the formula to make reach your pre-determined result. For example, "no WMD's" is in your formula but does not reflect reality, try "some WMD's" and see if you can still reach the destination you've already chosen.
Sure, you doubt the danger posed by the WMDs we found...after all they are old and so very far away. I wonder if you'd feel the same way if they suddenly started turning up in New York City subway stations...I mean they aren't really dangerous, so that would be ok. How bout you let your kid take one to school for show and tell...after all its perfectly safe. And what's the harm of strapping one to the chest of a suicide bomber on a City bus or at a Mets game...I bet you'd not even want the person arrested since its too old to be a weapon.
I think your real problem is Barbara Streisand (BS) Syndrome, a common liberal affliction. Her music sucks, but they spent so many years claiming to be her fans that they cannot now admit that her music sucks, so they are forced to attend her concerts. Liberals have wrapped themselves in the anti-Bush mindset so they cannot accept good economic numbers or positive war news or anything that might inidcate that a good decision was made. The no WMD crowd could be handed a nuclear bomb by Saddam Hussein himself with notarized instructions to deliver it to his best buddy Osama for use in New York City and you'd still not believe it. Then you'd deliver it and wish Bin Ladden luck and whine and complain about Bush's failure to prevent the attack once it happened.
Lets work this out for the Michael Moore folk. If they found WMDs then Bush didn't lie, if Bush didn't lie then the war was justified, if the war was justified then Bush is doing a good job, if Bush is doing a good job then he must be an effective President, if he's an effective President then his other programs are effective as well, if his other programs are effective as well then why the hell would we ever vote for a Democrat ever again? The answer is beause you have a mental disease or defect...at least Ann Coulter thinks so. I just think you've all got your heads up your collective asses, which is also the symbol of the Democratic Party.
H (and so good to be back...)
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Wow, Hero. Your bulls#!t sounds more and more desperate all the time.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Hero:
My math has different values,
I'm not certain you have any values, but whatever.
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For example, Iraqi civil-war is really foriegn sponsered terrorism and a limited Baath'ist domestic insurgency both of which are on their last legs.
Interesting. Because the Dept. of Defense said upon Zarqawi's death that foregin sponsored fighting accounted for less than 7-9% of the attacks in Iraq. That leaves 90% to your "limited insurgency," which seems an interesting term for mosque bombings and death squads, the majority of which have been perpetrated by Shi'ites.
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Chaos is Afganistan is really emerging democracy in a nation that has known not one year of stability or peace in more then a generation.
Emerging democracy. Uh-huh. Taliban warlords have been in open revolt for months, we sponsor the opium trade ourselves to keep the insurgency there from growing, and Karzai himself has said our methods aren't working. I just loooove that rose-colored look your glasses have.
Now your math is very interesting...you start with the conclusion, Bush lied, and fill in the formula to make reach your pre-determined result.
I started with no such conclusion. Every month since no wmd's were found the reason we invaded has changed. But let's assume I hadn't started with that conclusion. Let's take Condi and Colin's words at face value: Mobile weapons labs and a nuke program. Hmmmmm...don't see any. So if I'm told one thing and the facts are the opposite and the goalposts keep shifitng, it's a good conclusion that someone's cheating.
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For example, "no WMD's" is in your formula but does not reflect reality, try "some WMD's" and see if you can still reach the destination you've already chosen.
Some. Okay, 500 deteriorated mustard gas shells with no effective launch mechanism buried in a location that all but a bare few can even remember. Thinking....thinking....thinking....no, still no justification for a preemptive war with outrageous caualties.
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Sure, you doubt the danger posed by the WMDs we found...after all they are old and so very far away. I wonder if you'd feel the same way if they suddenly started turning up in New York City subway stations...I mean they aren't really dangerous, so that would be ok. How bout you let your kid take one to school for show and tell...after all its perfectly safe. And what's the harm of strapping one to the chest of a suicide bomber on a City bus or at a Mets game...I bet you'd not even want the person arrested since its too old to be a weapon.
Where to start with your dazzling leaps of logic and fallacies. I hope you don't try cases like this, the defense would rip you apart.
First, because they are far away means they pose absolutely no danger of Iraq being an iminent threat. Therefore, preemptive attack is not justified. I don't see you bandwagoning to attack Korea, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and 75 other countries who have real terrorist ties and actual weapons to use.
Second, I never said the damn things weren't dangerous, just not a threat. Do I want my daughter playing with one? Of course not. Am I going to keep her home from school because somewhere, someone in the world might be planning an attack with weapons that they may or may not have that may or may not work? No. I suspect that like may in the Yellow Elephant Brigade, you like to live in fear. I might be hit by a bus tomorrow, or be eaten by an escaped zoo tiger. Doesn't mean I stay home from work.
Third, if we took the 9/11 Comission's report seriously, we'd be fighting terror the right way, using the police, FBI, and CIA instead of thinking we can attack a concept by invading a country. I doubt we'd see many canisters turn up in subways then. Again, am I going to stop going to work because someone somewhere may or may not get a canister that may or may not work and use it on my tram? Again, no. I don't live in fear. That's a GOP thing.
Third, anyone who poss
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I TOLD you that Hero would never change his tune :biggrin .
Chrisisallyouso
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Quote:Yeah just like Cowardlicans like Bush who get their daddys to buy them out of military service and get so scard about a few terrorists they piss their pants and give up all their freedoms
Originally posted by Hero:
Cowardacrats like Kerry
."Oh no after all this time someone attacked us back! Kill them daddy kill them all, we don't care what you have to do whaaa!"
Childish-cowardly-kneejerk-reactionary-licans.
Sorry Hero but there's nothing Brave about dropping bombs on a bunch of nations that have no chance of winning, and nothing cowardly about not wanting to do same, whatever you may think.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Sorry Hero but there's nothing Brave about dropping bombs on a bunch of nations that have no chance of winning, and nothing cowardly about not wanting to do same, whatever you may think.
Tell that to the 2500 American heroes who gave their lives in honorable service to their nation. I wonder how they feel about the handful of cowards and deserters who have refused to go.
H
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we are there for 1 reason, and 1 reason only: war is profitable
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you
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The troops are the brave ones, the cowards are the one's sitting at home making the decisions to bomb nations into submission well aware that they'll never be hurt by the fallout, and people who call everyone a coward who thinks differently to them.
Your statement is highly amusing, reminds me of the First World War when the people shouting loudest about conscientious objectors being cowards no matter what their reasons for refusing the draft, were the one's who didn't have to go.
I was talking about the people who are so scared of ‘Terrorism’ they’ll become terrorists to protect themselves. Bush ordering the invasion wasn’t brave, there was no chance that him or his would be adversely affected, and there’s bugger all chance then and now that he’ll be harmed politically or physically in any real way.
It’s real easy to be Billy Badass when you’re attacking someone weaker than you, especially when it’s other people who do the fighting.
Yeah real easy to be brave when other people are the ones on the firing line, but you know that already huh ‘Hero’.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
Third, anyone who possesses such a device, working or not working, is a criminal and needs to be placed in custody.
I love that movie...lets see:
Hero: SP how would you deal with Osama Bin Ladden?
SP (with an Effeminate Anglish Accent): Like any common thief. Have the local magistrate arrest him and punish him accordingly
Hero: LEAVE US!
(Everyone leaves except Citizen and PirateNews. The latter hides himself in a place to watch. SP is confused, not knowing what to expect. Hero suddenly strikes SP, knocking him to the floor.)
Hero: Bin Ladden has already killed the magistrate and taken control of the town.
I believe our hero's point in this scene is that sometimes you gotta fight. And with liberals its just as good to smack them around as it is to reason with them.
Liberals, always willing to give you the shirt off of someone else's back. Surrendacrats, Cut-and-runners, its all the same. Its never been 'America can't win the war', its 'liberals can't win the war'. I've never met a real liberal who could fight worth a damn. They can whine (and wine), they can complain, they can even partake in non-violent civil dissobiediance...and I think that has its place in civilized society, but such measures only work if your enemies share your values. Take Gandi for example. He'd have never freed India had he faced Nazis, Imperial Japanese, or Islamafascists instead of the British and their western values.
H
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my point is that there shouldn't have been a war in the first place
think
almost all the senators and whatnot that were supporting the war have large investments in oil
now, what has the price of oil done since the war began?
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
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