X-MEN 3 and mediocritocracy (Extremely Spoilerific)
POSTED BY: HKCavalier
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 21:14
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Originally posted by Khyron:
See where I'm going with this?
Absolutely. And I completely agree with you in regards to your examples. And I think there's a difference. And I'm not sure how to articulate that difference. And I'm going to have to think some more about it.
* edited to remove what I wrote since I'm not sure it makes sense
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I'm talking about the historical suppression of women, and female energy.
Female energy? WTH is that?
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The Power of women have been feared for so long, men and the male energy force fear it.
No, what men, like women, fear is change. Not some mystical gender based energy. Its as simple as this:
In nature, Men ruled the tribes because men were stronger, and in nature, might makes right , so the strong led, protected, fought, etc. Over time, civilizations developed and cultures evolved around the prehistoric idea that Men should do the ruling and women should do the housework and such. These ideas became so ingrained in all cultures, that we cling to them, even when they are obsolete, because we dont want to change.
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men I think subconsiously do feel that they will be consumed by female energy.? Jean consuming cyclops was a perfect metaphor for that particular fear, Hacaliver was right in his assesment I think !!There is a great imbalance in the world to much male energy and not enough female engery in power to conteract it.
Again with the male/female energy. Isn't it more than a tad sexist of you to say that there are energies that define every man or every woman? As for female energy being all peaceful, loving, and nurturing and the like, you have obviously never met anyone like my Mother. Claiming that male energy is destructive and agressive is a foolish generalization as well. I know plenty of men that work hard for peace and sanity.
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if there has to be an imbalance , it would be better if it was on our side
Yet again, another foolish statement. ANY inequality is bad and WILL lead to supression. If women take over as completely as men have, the first thought would be that women are better and should have special priveledges. The simple fact is that women are human too, and have the same vulerability to greed and powerlust. What needs to happen is complete gender equality. Both sides having equal voice to force people to compromise.
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
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Female energy? WTH is that?
surely you know what female energy is, most women are inherantly nurturing..I didn't say all..I said most, because your a man its hard to explain , but I think it has alot to do with the fact that we can create life, and even when we aren't in the process of creating life, we are aware of it every month, women are more in tune with life, and the life force engergies and the respossiblities that goes along with that , and all that, that entells,
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No, what men, like women, fear is change. Not some mystical gender based energy. Its as simple as this:
In nature, Men ruled the tribes because men were stronger, and in nature, might makes right , so the strong led, protected, fought, etc. Over time, civilizations developed and cultures evolved around the prehistoric idea that Men should do the ruling and women should do the housework and such. These ideas became so ingrained in all cultures, that we cling to them, even when they are obsolete, because we dont want to change.
I'm not talking about fearing change; I'm talking about the fear alot of men have toward women in general, yes its true most men are physically stronger then woman, I don't think you'll get any arguments there..so what was your point? But women are strong too just in diffrent ways, in some cases stronger then men, we can sustain pain much longer then men, its been scientifcally proven, we are emotionally, and mentally stronger then men in most cases., its not altogether true that men ruled tribes because you guys are stronger, and thats why women do the house work etc.. women were more often then not, pregnant, so they stayed closer to home and forged for food and did most of the work and heavy lifting while men hunted, and fought protected the cave from predators...
Even if you look at indigenious tribes now, you'll see the women doing all the work ,..while the men hunt
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Again with the male/female energy. Isn't it more than a tad sexist of you to say that there are energies that define every man or every woman? As for female energy being all peaceful, loving, and nurturing and the like, you have obviously never met anyone like my Mother. Claiming that male energy is destructive and agressive is a foolish generalization as well. I know plenty of men that work hard for peace and sanity.
I never said female energy is all peacful and loving, etc...you said that not me, female and male energy exist in both male and female its why we have some of the same hormones, women have more estrogen, and men have more testerone etc, and all males start off as females 1rst, its not a foolish generalization, I think even you can agree that males and females are diffrent. and I don't just mean sexually. Men are more agressive then women thats a scientific fact. Of course this isn't true of every man or woman but the majority ..yes
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et again, another foolish statement. ANY inequality is bad and WILL lead to supression. If women take over as completely as men have, the first thought would be that women are better and should have special priveledges. The simple fact is that women are human too, and have the same vulerability to greed and powerlust. What needs to happen is complete gender equality. Both sides having equal voice to force people to compromise.
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
LOL!!! of course we are human did you ever doubt that we weren't...
I said that what we need is a balance of both energies, and right now we have an embalance with male energy being the dominating force, thats a statement of fact, nor am I saying that men are bad, I happen to love men...but yes since there is an imbalance I would prefere that it errr on the side of female energy.Although a balance of both view points, perspective, values, energies, in power would be the ideal.
I don't believe we women strive for balance, at the expense of men, we are the ones that gave birth to you, and brought you into this world, we love an need you guys to m
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Quote:Yeah. 'Cause hunting isn't work.
Originally posted by piratejenny:
Even if you look at indigenious tribes now, you'll see the women doing all the work ,..while the men hunt
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Hmmm, I'm going to avoid the feminine/masculine argument. I honestly didn't really pick up on those themes (intriguing arguments put up by almost everyone!) because there so many blatant issues I had with the movie.
I thought the movie was disappointing because it main focus seemed to be spin-offs. I felt that way too much time was used to introduce a slew of characters simply because, down the line, they want to do spin-offs. Angel annoyed me to no end because of this. What was his purpose? Okay, I get that his Dad is the one who led the research on the cure...and that seemed to be his ONLY purpose to be in this film.
When I saw him fly and save his Dad I actually yelled in the theater, "Where have you been!!?" Was he just flying around watching the fight and enjoying the carnage? Waiting around for his Dad to be thrown out a window?
Cyclops was ROBBED in this movie, and I thought that maybe he shouldn't have agreed to do it. I know other directors probably aren't banging down his door with offers, but damn...I don't know if they could've cut him out of the movie more if they tried.
With Jean/Phoenix dying at the end: I expected it to happen for the entire movie, but I kept hoping they would do something more inventive. Rogue comes back and she hasn't taken the cure and grabs onto Phoenix. Wolverine simply uses the cure on her. Hell, even Wolverine throwing the "curing" boy at her would've been more interesting.
Jean, CATCH!
"May have been the losing side, not sure it was the wrong one." -Mal
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I'm gonna regret this...
All you people are missing the point of the movie. It's about our culture's will to discredit and destroy Magneto's power because he's a man.
Or old.
Or because Ian McKellan (the actor playing Magneto) is gay. It's a gay energy thing.
Or something.
Place your favorite reason here _________
All he was trying to do was empower his peeps... so the world goes all "he's got to be controlled" and stuff.
And what's with turning Xavier into chum? Is it because he's bald? I have my suspicions. Wolverine get's his ass handed to him several times in the movie... probably because he's a short-tempered thug. We have no cultural will for rehabilitation; we prefer punishment.
How come no one's caught on to this stuff?
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Lol danfan, that was great! 
It's so obvious now, Magneto was the enemy because he's gay, Mystique had a different skin colour and was discriminated against for that reason, Kid Omega (the guy with the spikes coming out of him) and Psylocke were Asian and so had to be killed off for that reason, Angel had to look like an angel and so clearly could only be portrayed by a white actor, etc.
This movie was nothing but sexist, homophobic, racist, generally discriminatory Nazi-Jew-Queen-Satan-alien propaganda!
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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