Did the operative kill Badger and the Heart of Gold whores?
POSTED BY: Flame
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I don't know if the BDM counts as an "episode" of FIREFLY, but I wasn't sure where else to put this question. I haven't seen anyone else bring it up, before, but if the operative "leaves no ground to run to" and kills anyone who's ever been involved in a heist with our crew, including Fanty and Mingo, the Sanchez brothers, the Haven folk and someone at Whitefall (it says "Whitefall" on one of the screenshots on the bridge when Mal gets the wave from the operative)...
Then, are we to assume he killed Patience? Badger? The Heart of Gold whores? That would be just sad.
Any thoughts?
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Considering the events of the comic...
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It's likely that the BDHs have already killed Badger. I know I'd be tempted to. Certainly wouldn't shed any tears if the Operative got him either.
As to the rest I find it dificult to believe that the Operative could have found out about all of our heros' various nefarious contacts. So unless we are shown definite evidence to the contrary in specific cases I say we agree they escaped.
David
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It was actually anyone who sheltered them who ended up dead. Badger never sheltered them, and they parted on very bad terms in the comics, so probably not. As for Heart of Gold; who knows? The BDH's probably didn't go back there, so I bet they're safe.
Did Fanty and Mingo die? I didn't think they died. According to the novel they were interogated, but I never saw them dead. What'd I miss?
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Ah, ok. I read the novel, but only once, awhile back. For some reason I was thinking Fanty and Mingo were dead - maybe just 'cause they were so nearly...
All we get in the movie is one security feed from Boros (the Sanchez brothers) and one private office feed from Whitefall (could be Patience? though I wouldn't imagine she'd shelter Mal after shooting her all up - then again, why would she even let him back on her moon at all, so who knows).
I'd like to think that the Operative didn't hurt everyone else... maybe just the people at the ends of the 7 navsat trajectories the crew sent out as decoys?
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Originally posted by Flame:
I don't know if the BDM counts as an "episode" of FIREFLY, but I wasn't sure where else to put this question. I haven't seen anyone else bring it up, before, but if the operative "leaves no ground to run to" and kills anyone who's ever been involved in a heist with our crew, including Fanty and Mingo, the Sanchez brothers, the Haven folk and someone at Whitefall (it says "Whitefall" on one of the screenshots on the bridge when Mal gets the wave from the operative)...
Then, are we to assume he killed Patience? Badger? The Heart of Gold whores? That would be just sad.
Any thoughts?
~ Flame ~
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I don't know about anyone else, but I personally like the idea of Patience getting her comeuppence (sp?) at the hands of the Operative.
Hope the whores are OK, though; they're such sweet girls and boy-whores.
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Actually, the Whitefall contact wasn't Patience (Patience never sheltered Mal... in fact, they didn't part on very good terms!) but Lie Cheng or somesuch? Zoe mentions the name when she's asking Wash to enter in contact with some people, after they find Haven destroyed. I have to find a screencap of that, to check, but I doubt Patience was killed.
The Operative was trying to destroy anyone who sheltered Serenity, meaning their allies, not their enemies or solely business partners. So I'm pretty sure Badger, Fanty and Mingo and Patience are pretty much alive.
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Wash: [deadpan] Oh God, oh God, we're all going to die?
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The rough cut strongly implied that the Operative tortured and killed Fanty and Mingo. We see a shot of them tired to a chair with a look of utter despair on their faces then the Operative comes into view, holding a scalpel. (That scene is the one that has the twins going "Summer!" at the camera in the outtakes).
Given that the Operative kills Mr Universe for pretty much no reason, I would be very surprised if he let Fanty & Mingo live, especially as the Operative would have seen them on the camera feed and they'd have been his first port of call.
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Was this scene in the screenings before the final cut? Because I wasn't familiar with it. That puts a whole new spin on things... Fanty and Mingo weren't exactly sheltering Mal and crew, just giving them work. So if they got killed, who knows who else the Operative got? But since it's not made certain that that happened in the movie, then it leaves things to one's imagination and if they want to believe Fanty and Mingo are in fact alive, well, let them. :)
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Wash: This landing is gonna get pretty interesting.
Mal: Define "interesting".
Wash: [deadpan] Oh God, oh God, we're all going to die?
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Originally posted by SimonWho:
The rough cut strongly implied that the Operative tortured and killed Fanty and Mingo. We see a shot of them tired to a chair with a look of utter despair on their faces then the Operative comes into view, holding a scalpel. (That scene is the one that has the twins going "Summer!" at the camera in the outtakes).
Given that the Operative kills Mr Universe for pretty much no reason, I would be very surprised if he let Fanty & Mingo live, especially as the Operative would have seen them on the camera feed and they'd have been his first port of call.
Is there an extended outtakes for Serenity, now? Because I never saw them yelling Summer! Aw, man!
I thought the whole thing with him killing Mr Universe was to show that Mal was actually getting to him. It almost confuses him that he would be that rash; he's not used to being pissed, just killing when it "must be done".
They are tied up, intimidated, and interogated according to the novel, but we never see them die. And you know how it is in movies and such; if you don't see them die, they could easily be alive. Hell, even Dobson was slated to come back (and appears in the comics) and I was thinking that a bullet to the eye was a surefire way to kill someone.
So where can I find this missing scene with Fanty and Mingo? Where can I find ALL the missing scenes that seem to have been cut from the film and the DVD release? Where???
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