H2O > HHO gas. Why do we still need petrol??

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UPDATED: Monday, June 12, 2006 21:42
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GILTHANASS

Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Yes, that's what I mean by marketing. big busines and governments are in charge of marketing.
And fuel cells use hydrogen fusion to produce energy; the only emission is water. Hot water, as a matter of fact, so those who actually use them to power their houses also have a steady stream of heated water. They are, however, hellaciously expensive.
Scientific? Ok, so Citizen is, but what am I? Chopped liver? *points to self* Regular Discover reader at the very least. I do get my facts from somewhere, you know.

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Just so we are clear, fuel cells do not use hydrogen fusion. They merely burn hydrogen gas in the pressence of oxygen. If it was fusion, there would be a few problems... (such as the reaction needed to take place in an area with heat equalling about that of a nuclear explosion)

CITIZEN

Sunday, June 11, 2006 4:54 PM

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In order to be at all viable, you would need to pair it with a different form of energy, most likely nuclear. Also, as has been said, this looks pretty unstable to me, I would rather keep my H and my O away from each other while in storage, but hey, I am just an old fashioned dude who doesn't like being in the center of a fireball, what do I know.

Erm I doubt nuclear would be the way to go. For power generation you'd be better off just using Nuclear on it's own, for cars you'd find it a little difficult to get a car with a Fission reactor in the boot on the market.

H and O? Thats water you know...

The storage is actually in the form of H2O, a compound of Hydrogen and Oxygen which is actually quite a stable...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

GILTHANASS

Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:58 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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In order to be at all viable, you would need to pair it with a different form of energy, most likely nuclear. Also, as has been said, this looks pretty unstable to me, I would rather keep my H and my O away from each other while in storage, but hey, I am just an old fashioned dude who doesn't like being in the center of a fireball, what do I know.

Erm I doubt nuclear would be the way to go. For power generation you'd be better off just using Nuclear on it's own, for cars you'd find it a little difficult to get a car with a Fission reactor in the boot on the market.

H and O? Thats water you know...

The storage is actually in the form of H2O, a compound of Hydrogen and Oxygen which is actually quite a stable...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

umm, what? Yeah, I said paired with, as in TO GET THE ENERGY. Not like, have a nuclear reactor in your car. You have a nuclear generator, which makes electricity, which you use for electropheresis, which gives you the fuel you use, which you put in your car. H and O is NOT water. H is hydrogen, as H2 gas at STP, O is Oxygen, as O2 gas at STP, keeping them away from each other minimises the risk. H2O is NOT the storage form, that is water, which would be product of the reaction.

So, electricity from nuclear power turns water into H2 and O2, which is burned, which releases energy and forms H2O again.

So, in conclusion, I have no idea what you were trying to say with that post.

SASSALICIOUS

Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:14 PM

100% efficiency is impossible because something is always lost as heat due to friction.

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CITIZEN

Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:34 PM

I don't quite understand why you got out of your pram at me but obviosly its a pile on Citizen day.

Anyway:

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Originally posted by Gilthanass:
umm, what? Yeah, I said paired with, as in TO GET THE ENERGY. Not like, have a nuclear reactor in your car. You have a nuclear generator, which makes electricity, which you use for electropheresis, which gives you the fuel you use, which you put in your car.

The idea was that you could put water in your car and use this method to power the car. Ergo if you were to link this with nuclear fission you have to have a reactor in your car.

If you misunderstood the concept that's none of my concern.

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H and O is NOT water.

Yes I know that, you were acting like you can't get a stable compound from Hydrogen and Oxygen, which blatantly you can, it's called water.

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H is hydrogen, as H2 gas at STP, O is Oxygen, as O2 gas at STP, keeping them away from each other minimises the risk.

Since the tech we're talking about stores water your original statement makes no sense.

Your misunderstanding of the topic is not my fault.

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H2O is NOT the storage form, that is water, which would be product of the reaction.

Water is the storage form, that's the point.

Water is electrolysised to produce the gas that is combusted. Water is stored in the tank.

Please don't attack me for your misunderstanding.

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So, in conclusion, I have no idea what you were trying to say with that post.

Well if you read my post and the source material of the thread you would.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

GILTHANASS

Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:48 PM

Honeslty, I think you might be the one who doesn't understand what this guy is trying to do. It would make no sense to take water, and a battery (power source) along too for electropheresis because, frankly, at that point you should just use the power source to power your car. What I got was that this dude used electricity on the water FIRST, then produced a liquid that was basically H and O together, but NOT water (because it had could release energy by burning and becoming water). It was misleading, but he did not just put water in his tank, he put his new "fuel" MADE from water (by an input of energy).

CALHOUN

Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:10 PM

The "guy" is claiming to produce HHO(gas, not liquid). Its not clear if he is storing it or producing "on-demand"

Stanley Meyer definitely claims to be producing "on-demand" using a high frequency pulsed low amp current. One of the videos claims 1700% efficency.

GILTHANASS

Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Calhoun:
One of the videos claims 1700% efficency.

If he is really claiming that, then it is just a hoax. If anyone could get 1700% efficency out of anything, they would have succeeded in cracking the laws of thermodynamics. The implications of anything above 100% would be ridiculous.

So, if that is indeed what he is claiming, I appologise to citizen. I was going under the assumption that this person was keeping himself confined to the laws of science, I guess I was wrong.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, June 12, 2006 1:50 AM

Good video. I hope this guy don't wind up dead, like the other inventor of a water-powered car.

I'd heard about it on the shortwave from www.ThePowerHour.com last month. Thanks for digging it up. I'm definitely in the market for this water welder, since its so much easier to get fuel than my oxyacetaline torch. It's sort of like an electric TIG welder that makes its own gas, but uses less energy since the ultra high frequency (50,000 Hz not 60 Hz) taps into the free magnetosphere, like free solar power, but from electromagnetism not photons. It's also so much safer to breathe the air, since its just water vapor, and ordinary welder fumes are deadly poisons. Too bad they're greedy and selling it for 10 times more than an ordinary welder.

Here's the company that's in that news video:

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VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Hydrogen Technology Applications
Our technology centers on the ability to generate a unique type of hydrogen/oxygen gas mixture (a "unique gas", which we call "Aquygen™" gas) on demand from a lightweight, compact machine that uses the water electrolysis process as its underlying technology basis. This unique gas is infinitely stable until it comes in contact with a select target media. Then it sublimates, causing a molecular surface exchange of certain elements, reacting with such excitation as to cause temperatures of up to 10,000° F, the temperature of our Sun's surface, which is currently the limits of our ability to measure. The ability to create this stable, unique gas on demand from a water electrochemical generator is of great strategic importance, especially because (1) it offers a workable energy level per pound of fuel that is ten-to-twelve times that of gasoline; (2) when combusted/ignited, it causes no hydrocarbon effluents such as NOX, nitrites, nitrates, etc., and (3) its by-product from combustion is pure, environmentally-friendly water. Purchase: The H2O 1500 Aquygen™ Gas Generator can be purchased for $6995. Lease Term Monthly Lease Payment: 60 months $175.
http://hytechapps.com

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: It Runs on Water
"Free energy" steam engines and cosmic ray antennas to run electric motors. Modern electralysis of water with low amps at high volts and 50,000 hertz produces hydrogen and oxygen on demand from fuel cell at 1,700% normal efficiency. In 1995 gasoline price in USA was under $1/gallon. Cars that run on water. Special appearance by Nikola Tesla. By British Equinox
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2464139837181538044

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Water Car inventor murdered
Stanley Meyer, who got many death threats, had died of some kind of mysterious food poisoning. Cold fusion water expert Dr Gene Mallove, author of Fire from Ice: Searching for the Truth behind the Cold Fusion Furor, and editor of Infinite Energy Magazine, was also murdered in a home invasion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3333992194168790800&q=water+c
ar+inventor+murdered

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Water Powered Cars
Same waterwelder video by Fox26 News
http://www.rratch.com/Misc/WaterFuel/WaterFuel.wmv

Water powered rocket man

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Water Rocketman Lost in Space
The Rocketbelt ® is the most original, spectacular vehicle available for super crowd-pleasing entertainment and product endorsement. There is simply nothing like it in the world!!! Blown away were the 35,000 screaming spectators as the Rocketman swept past, landed and unveiled their nations flag before the presidential box. "Sean "P. Diddy" Combs – or could it be a stunt double? – blasts into a Miami press conference on Monday to announce the 2005 MTV Video Music Awards nominees." The Rocketman is featured on Letterman's popular popular "Top 10" list on May 17, 2004. Letterman's audience was blown away with the reenactment of a historical flight at Flushing Meadows more than 40 years ago at the 1964 Worlds Fair. By Rocketman.org
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3203587941333797889&q=rocket

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