Strongest Woman

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CHRISTHECYNIC

Saturday, June 10, 2006 1:47 AM

I didn't say Nandi, Inara didn't know who it would fall on, and was probably hoping it would be no one she knew, but she was smart enough to know that no good would come of it, someone's blood would be spilled, and that someone was more likely than not going to be a good person.

She's not an idiot, no way she didn't see a murder on the horizon, she didn't even make him drop his weapon. Actually I think it's a sign of her incredible good luck that only one person died.

Later in the episode we do see a killing without need, of that very person Inara could have stopped, but it is a very different situation because that time he isn’t in a position to cause death.

FLAME

Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:06 AM

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No but directly confronting Mal does. Inara has done it on a number of occasions and had the guts to stand up to him when he was wrong. (See Serenity: the Episode right after Kaylee gets shot and Safe when Book needs a doctor.) Nobody else on the ship really has.

I don't understand that statement. Everybody has stood up to Mal at some point, some more than once. Jayne with the "how many survived serenity valley... I'm talkin' to you" and Simon with the punchy and Wash with the "I'm not leaving my wife" and Book with the "how we treat our dead is what makes us different from reavers" and... jeez, there's a whole bunch. I don't see how Inara's arguing with Mal is any different, except that it's laced with sexual tension and supressed emotion and she gets under his skin more than the others.

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Not wanting to kill without need is not a sign of weakness. It's a sign of humanity.

Um... but in the context of that episode, there was need. Burgess was there with 30 men, shooting up the place and lasering everybody, and Mal had already said that he'd kill everyone then sleep good that night. He had a laser pulled on Nandi. How much more "need" do you need?

I'll admit, I don't relate to anything about Inara. I don't necessarily dislike her, but I don't "get" her at all.

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DAVESHAYNE

Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:08 AM

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Originally posted by christhecynic:
I didn't say Nandi, Inara didn't know who it would fall on, and was probably hoping it would be no one she knew, but she was smart enough to know that no good would come of it, someone's blood would be spilled, and that someone was more likely than not going to be a good person.

This is something you're bringing to the episode that really isn't there.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

DOLLBECKY

Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:27 AM

My vote goes for Zoe, but not just for any of the "warrior women" stuff or now she can make hard choices but for me the fact she can juggle her(platonic)love for Mal and all the history that goes with it and her love for Wash thats the stuff that shows inner strength; Triangles are hard work, it shows in more than just "War Stories" it runs all the way through Firefly.

I'll be in my bunk

DAVESHAYNE

Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:33 AM

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
No but directly confronting Mal does. Inara has done it on a number of occasions and had the guts to stand up to him when he was wrong. (See Serenity: the Episode right after Kaylee gets shot and Safe when Book needs a doctor.) Nobody else on the ship really has.

I don't understand that statement. Everybody has stood up to Mal at some point, some more than once. Jayne with the "how many survived serenity valley... I'm talkin' to you"

And then he backs down, "You want to leave the room." "Damn right I do."

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and Simon with the punchy

I'll give you this Simon stands up to Mal once. And then gets himself and his sister kicked off the ship for his trouble.

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Wash with the "I'm not leaving my wife"

Cut to Wash on the bridge having left his wife.

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Book with the "how we treat our dead is what makes us different from reavers"

And gives Mal the perfect excuse to get people out of the way while Kaylee disarms the booby trap.

Dude your making my point for me.

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I don't see how Inara's arguing with Mal is any different

Because she actually stands up to Mal long enough to get him to change his mind.

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Not wanting to kill without need is not a sign of weakness. It's a sign of humanity.

Um... but in the context of that episode, there was need. Burgess was there with 30 men, shooting up the place and lasering everybody, and Mal had already said that he'd kill everyone then sleep good that night. He had a laser pulled on Nandi. How much more "need" do you need?

Inara's mistake was in not realizing that Rance would rather kill Nandi than live. A fault of education not will.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

CHRISTHECYNIC

Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:40 AM

So you're saying that she was too unintelligent to see that leaving the man armed, unharmed, mobile without significant restraint, and not even holding the knife to his throat with force, was a bad idea?

DAVESHAYNE

Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:08 AM

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So you're saying that she was too unintelligent to see that leaving the man armed, unharmed, mobile without significant restraint, and not even holding the knife to his throat with force, was a bad idea?

No. I think she had a reasonable expectation that Rance when faced with his own imminent demise would retreat to fight another day. It hadn't become apparent to her that faced with a minor setback in his plans he would prefer to kill Nandi than live.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

CHRISTHECYNIC

Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:16 AM

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No. I think she had a reasonable expectation that Rance when faced with his own imminent demise would retreat to fight another day.

Exactly!

Even if he didn't use the weapon she nicely let him keep right then she expected to let him leave, regroup, and kill more people at a later date when she would not be around to see it.

No doubt she was hoping that those she knew would not be amoung those to die, but like you said, fight another day, and she she knows what happens when he fights, she's spent the night with some who, by that time, had already fallen to what happens when he fights.

She was no doubt hoping another day another place, somewhere other than Heart of Gold, but none the less it had to be on her mind and you argue it was exactly what she was thinking.

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If you are right then her plan was to let him kill more people so she could keep her hands clean.

DAVESHAYNE

Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:44 AM

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Exactly!

By that reasoning Mal & crew should have killed everybody they ever met. Never know when somebody you didn't kill might decide to kill you.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

CHRISTHECYNIC

Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:12 AM

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By that reasoning Mal & crew should have killed everybody they ever met. Never know when somebody you didn't kill might decide to kill you.

Um, you claim that she wanted to let a killer of innocents retreat to lick his wounds and kill another day.

Not a business man who's shooting at them because of a deal gone wrong or an opportunistic enemy trying to ring more money out of the deal, just someone who is a killer who tries to use that knack to steal a kid. Point of interest is that Zoe shot someone in the back while they were retreating so that one couldn’t fight another day, but more to the point they do try to kill people like that.

You think Mal wanted to let Niska get away after he was tortured? As far as we know Niska only killed people corrupt enough to work for him, which includes our crew, but the point is these are people who knew the risks and are in the business, that makes him significantly better than the one Inara was letting go.

Exactly who else that the crew has come in contact with fits the bill of taking a small army against an untrained group and shooting a hell of a lot of bullets (the army was assembled before Mal came after all.)

I mean we're not talking about everyone the crew met here, most petty killers don't muster armies and even when they don't I don't see most on the crew saying, "Hey, you, killer that you are, wanna go away for a bit and get back to your killing after I'm gone?"

The only murderers I remember anyone other than Inara letting go were the (attempted) ones from Out of Gas and Mal didn't really have a choice. If they did it must have been when I wasn't looking, off-screen perhaps.

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But more to the point you're the one who said it was so he could kill another day, so why are you making a big deal out of me saying it too? Is it the fact that you said, "Fight," which we know, in his case, means, "kill"?

That's like when they said, "We're not bombing, we're dropping explosive devices."

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