What will we fight about when the oil's gone?

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CITIZEN

Monday, March 27, 2006 9:17 AM

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Originally posted by Dreamtrove:
This is alas sadly true of late, but I don't credit these people as conservatives. I should specify "non-neocon conservatives"

No it's always been true, but since it doesn't fit your world view you can't even see it, let alone recognise it. The British Empire, as a for instance, was a conservative endeavour.

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Finally: You, holding your tongue? This is hardly an accurate portrayal of the situation. You're endlessly mouthing off.

I wasn't aware you'd been looking over my shoulder all this time so that you know the number of your posts that I didn't reply to despite your obviously biased baseless rhetoric as I knew where replying would lead, here in fact. Frankly you don't have any basis for making that assertion, since you don't live in my head.

As for mouthing off I sure as hell don’t do it anymore than you do and by and large when I do it it’s based in reality.

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As for me, I'm just disagreeing with your characterization of the right, in general.

And I'm disagreeing with your continued spiel about how anything bad done ever is down to the left no matter who perpetrated it or what it maybe. Circular arguments, I'd hazard a guess that your dictionary would read like this:
Evil: See Liberal.
Liberal: See Evil.

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No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

DREAMTROVE

Monday, March 27, 2006 1:39 PM

Citizen,

Stop picking a fight. Not only am I lying in bed coughing up blood right now and don't want to deal with it, but it serves no purpose.

The left isn't evil, it's misguided. When it learns to apply its ideas locally rather than trying to apply them globally, it won't be such an issue for the rest of us.

When I was your age I pretty much thought as you do. Since then I've decided that the left is just pretty much wrong, so I joined the right, and I'm not unhappy about the decision. The right is sometimes wrong, nobody's perfect. What saddens me is that these sheep on my side want to find good in Bush so they can follow him rather than doing what they should which is to strike him down with a fiery vengeance and replace him with a better conservative.

But none of this is going to make me vote for a democrat. If a democrat wants my vote, as I said, it has to move. John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, are all very wrong-headed about the direction this country needs to move in. The whole or majority of the democratic party, for a start, needs to move over to where Russ Feingold and Barbara Boxer are, and let go of this pro-govt world cop mentality.

I think the GOP needs to also pull away from that position which it has headed towards under Bush. But there's a difference. If the Democrats continue to push for their pro-govt, world cop mentality, 90% of their constituents will not object, and they will continue to pull in numbers in the 40s in general elections. What the left has to do is force the democrats to move in a more sane, individualist, direction by voting in primaries and by taking their own leaders to task.

By contrast, if republcans fail to pull back, about 1/2 to 2/3 of their constituents will mindlessly follow them, and there will be a very large 3rd party splitter vote, which will make Hillary Clinton very happy. Since I think Bush is Clinton, I think that's pretty much the plan.

RUSSELL

Monday, March 27, 2006 1:43 PM

I think the fighting will be long over by the time the oil runs out. But towards the end the countries that DO still have oil will be the only ones capable of waging large scale war (it takes oil ya know) and they will take over the earth. Then they will just fight for power and kill infidels in there spare time.

If wishes were horses we'd all be eatin steaks.

RUE

Monday, March 27, 2006 5:56 PM

It won't matter. Look at Rwanda or Somalia - what were they fighting about? Nothing and everything. Once social catastrophe happens it devolves to anarchy.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

CITIZEN

Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:46 PM

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Originally posted by Dreamtrove:
Stop picking a fight. Not only am I lying in bed coughing up blood right now and don't want to deal with it, but it serves no purpose.

Dreamtrove, stop picking a fight. Your the one stating baseless rhetoric which you've never satisfactorily backed up, your the one replying despite the fact you apparently don't want a fight (which maybe true, you want everyone to recognise your right, about everything). How about some of this rightwing responsibility for your own actions (something I only see the Right calling for when it's someone else and there actions).

I'm sorry you’re not feeling well, but don't try and make me the bad guy because I'm attacking the sick guy, you can stop this any time as well, don't make out like I'm the only one perpetuating it.

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When it learns to apply its ideas locally rather than trying to apply them globally, it won't be such an issue for the rest of us.

Because the right (you know like the Bush Administration, British Empire etc) don't do this. Oh no wait they do, it's just you've decided that makes them the left because only the left do those things and we know only the left do those things because they're the left and they do them. See circular argument.

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When I was your age I pretty much thought as you do.

The obligatory attack on my age, which has nothing to do with it.

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I think the GOP needs to also pull away from that position which it has headed towards under Bush. But there's a difference. If the Democrats continue to push for their pro-govt, world cop mentality, 90% of their constituents will not object, and they will continue to pull in numbers in the 40s in general elections. What the left has to do is force the democrats to move in a more sane, individualist, direction by voting in primaries and by taking their own leaders to task.

Like I said, Left fights wars for ideals; the Right fights wars for money power and resources. Different motivations, same result.

You only state and see the half that fits your world view.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:24 PM

What will we fight about when the oil's gone?

Not much time... ... lunch almost over.... ... managment will cut me off soon...

So the one-word answer is: WATER.

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Free as in freedom, not beer.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 9, 2006 12:46 PM

They'll fight over uranaium, water, coal, ideology, technology, politics, ores.....whatever

angry imperial humans another invasion another land grab another tyrant

but most importantly as sea-levels continue to rise and hurricanes and floods occure more often, we will fight over acquiring fertile lands

more preachers and crazy religions...or will the future evolve and not use war but do something positive and use tech to improve lives

DEEPGIRL187

Friday, June 9, 2006 1:52 PM

Skin color, gender equality, sexual preference, money, etc.

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It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, June 9, 2006 1:57 PM

We have a 'radical center' here too, lol.

We call em "Militant Moderates".. seems to be a michigan thing, I dunno...

As for Oil, one think y'all need to take into account about petroleum shortage is this simple fact.

Nearly all plastic is made from petroleum.

That's likely to impact us harder and faster than scarity of fuel, the inability to create plastic, since our society uses and consumes a great deal of it.

Just a thought on the matter.

-Frem

PS - Interesting bit of trivia, in the movie Alien, the cargo of the ship was petroleum being brought to earth (earth having depleted their supply) in order to make plastics, since alternative fuels had become a necessary reality, but no one had yet figured any other way to make plastic.

CITIZEN

Friday, June 9, 2006 2:10 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

PS - Interesting bit of trivia, in the movie Alien, the cargo of the ship was petroleum being brought to earth (earth having depleted their supply) in order to make plastics, since alternative fuels had become a necessary reality, but no one had yet figured any other way to make plastic.

Nostromo was towing a mobile refinery refining mineral ore (not oil but it did tow that at times).

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