Blasphemy? Kaylee Get's On My Nerves!

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UPDATED: Thursday, June 8, 2006 22:59
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Originally posted by AnimalMother:
In my opinion, Mal feels as if Kaylee is his little sister; he has moments throughout the series where he shows that kinda overprotective and caring side of him to Kaylee. The pilot episode had a lot of those moments; the Jayne-gynocologist thing obviously, when Kaylee gets shot and he's contemplating whether to run or not and then Kaylee lets out that serious cry in which he then decides to let Simon have his way so long as Kaylee gets medical attention, when Kaylee says shes feeling cold in the infirmary and Mal covers her with a blanket.... We all know Mal has that obligation towards his crew to protect them but it always seems like Kaylee gets most of that affection. He did make fun of her in Shindig with the dress thing but he quickly realized that it wasnt in his true nature to say something like that to Kaylee and obviously redeems himself and her feelings later in the episode.

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Good points. I got that feeling myself; Mal thinks of Kaylee as a little sister. I should've thought about that...now it makes sense why he got on Jayne for the comment.

Another act of Mal toward Kaylee to back this up is his kissing her on the head in the "Our Mrs. Reynolds" episode. No peck on the cheek...no playful swat on the butt...nothing that could've been read as flirtatious. Just Mal showing gratitude...

I've sometimes wondered why Mal wouldn't be attracted to Kaylee...he see's her and works with her on a regular basis, and unlike Zoe she's unattached (of course she might well be after the movie), she's certainly pretty enough, and sweet as the day is long...don't have the questionable career Inara does...ain't crazy like River...so obviously he does see her as a little sis and nothing more. His loss and Simon's gain I suppose.

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If Jewel Staite is even half as charming as the character of Kaylee in real life, her boyfriend or husband is seriously one lucky s.o.b.!

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Ditto


I met Jewel breifly at the flanvention, she really is a nice person. She wasnt in Kaylee's mechanic jumpsuit with engine grease markings, but charming none-the-less.

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Originally posted by HighWiredSmith
But it did get a little annoying, every time one of the male characters would say something to hurt her feelings the rest of the crew would give them these "you're just plain evil" looks….But her turn to the darkside moment with the reavers because she wanted to have sex was, well, just a little weird.

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Turn to the darkside… self preservation… poTAYtoe, poTAHto.

Personally, I don't see her choosing to defend herself against reavers as turning to the dark side, whatever the reason, but that's me.

Consider the character - not Zoe, so not going to strike back--probably by shoving the bridge of your nose into your brain. Not River, so not going to kill you with her brain or radical slayer-like moves and sharp objects. Not Inara who will cut you down with disdain. In fact, Kaylee would never hurt a flea unless said flea managed to muck up the workings of Serenity, and even then she'd feel horrible about it for days.

Kaylee can defend herself, but she has the kind of spirit that makes some want to rise up and do it for her anyway. If she used that power for evil instead of good, she'd be a Patience-like import/export baronness in the "dark 'verse" if there is such a thing, rather Glory-like even. But simply said, she doesn't.

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Originally posted by StillShiny
If I may....Joss himself made this comparison. He said Kaylee was the heart, the sense of family for the crew. He said Kaylee was much like Willow was for Buffy….If Willow or Kaylee was afraid, Joss (the viewer) was afraid. If Kaylee or Willow said "this is a good person" the viewer (Joss) believed this was a good person.

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Of course you may.

I remember making all those comparisons myself when I first started watching the series. It follows then that anyone who hurts Kaylee's feelings will be frowned upon by the viewer, no matter who it was. Sometimes I think Joss put Simon and Mal in those situations on purpose. Some writers just like to torture their characters. Joss is different from other writers because he likes to torture ALL his characters, but that's just Joss.

To me, that meager amount of development means Joss was setting Kaylee up for something--and not a happy something either. Don't know what or where, but he was establishing the fact that the entire crew would do whatever they had to for Kaylee, even more so than they would for Mal. A hostage situation… with Niska, for instance.

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Some of Kaylees dialog just sounded too contrived and forced to me in the movie. I guess Joss wanted to really emphasize that she was the innocent "country" girl without much formal education for people who had not seen any of Firefly but it just seemd to go too far. I think Jewel just doesn't look comfortable saying some of the lines.

The "twixt my nethers" line just didn't fit. I have no problem with the message. That fits her PERFECTLY. The words chosen to convey the message are the problem. They just didn't flow for me. There are a few other lines I thought went too far into "country hick" but I can't think of them off the top of my head. I do remember that several jared me out of the flow of movie cause they just didn't "feel right".

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The girl was sexually frustrated, leave her alone, I bet she comes across as a stoned Inara after getting plowed at the end of the movie.

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Looks like it's the right thread for my rant on Kaylee/Simon.

I started out loving Kaylee in the pilot: the strawberry, the parasole, the cheerfullness, 'That's my girl, that's my good girl' etc. - and I loved the sparkle between her and Simon: he was so uptight and arrogant there, but when he looked at her you could see there's more to him, and she brought it out.
I continued to like her in Train Job and Bushwacked, and it was fun to watch the sparkle between her and Simon grow. My admiration for her culminated in Shindig: oh, she was so sweet in her Cinderella dress, and winning the hearts of all those older gentlemen at the Party with mechanic talk - priceless.

But since Safe, since she started hitting on Simon heavily, my admiration went downhill. She appeared selfish and too demanding to me: it looked like she just wanted "a bite" out of the man (in her own words there) and didn't really care about him as a person or tried to understand him. All she cared for is to have her way with this good-looking fella, and she could get mightily mean with him when that desire couldn't be fullfilled as fast as she wanted.

That scene in the store in Safe: it was so obvious that Simon was at the end of his rope, he looked and felt at that time like a tired mother whose kid is having a tantrum in a public place and who's had a scene with her husband shortly before that (I believe mothers out here can emphasize...) Anyone with eyes could see that, but Kaylee didn't notice as she was too busy drooling over his looks. No wonder her comment about "having fun" provokes the outburst from him, and she lashes back with suprising meanness, without even trying to think why he would say such things. Gee, could it be that he is not the happiest or care-free-est guy in the world, could it be that something is eating at him - what would that be, eh? Does one have to be a smartie to figure it out? Kaylee's not stupid - so it looked like she just didn't care.

But it gets even worse in Jamestown: her trying to lecture him on error of his ways of being polite and cultured and gentlemanly. She wanted him to change for her: that's a big no-no in relationships. But moreover, she wanted him to change for the worse just because she was uncomfortable with him being a bit out of her league. The man lost everything, lost his old life with all that was dear for him, besides his wreck of a sister whom he also almost lost. Those manners, culture, principles - those are things which help him to hold it together, to remain himself in unfamiliar and often adverse circumstances.
There are stories out there since times of gold rushes, about people having to spend winter locked in some cabin, or being lost and having to treck out of the woods for weeks. My half-brother was a forester and now he is a hunter, and he's been in such situations. The guys who continue to shave regularly, to wash their clothes, to build up fire & cook hot meals even if they are starving and tired and that means more work - those guys have much better chance to get out of this alive and well than those who just let it go and sink down to primary state.
It's the same for Simon - keeping his refined manners really helps him to survive and remain whole, and it's very inconsiderate of Kaylee to try and kick it from under him.
And come on - her head wouldn't have exploded if she learned a bit about Egyptians. History is fun, expanding horizons is fun, learning something beyound the daily routine is fun as well.

Also that bit with her chiding him for getting beaten by Stitch makes me cringe. First of all: it was her fault for leaving him at that bar, where he was clearly out of place, for no practical purpose but out of spite for his awkward words. She left him there bewildered and hangover, and Stitch got him by suprise, OK? Plus this Stitch was thick as a bull: not only Simon hitting him with a bottle had no effect, but later Jayne throws a huge knife at him and this guy just ignores it and keeps fighting with a knife sticking out of his chest! Blaming Simon for loosing t

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I agree. Kaylee is sort of Mal's human credentials. She is so gentle and sweet and Mal is so careful of her ( for the most part) she's what makes Mal ( at first) seem more of a good guy and later keeps Mal from freezing over emotionally. Plus I just love watching her throw Simon so totally off guard.

You're only young once, but you can be immature any time!

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Looks like it's the right thread for my rant on Kaylee/Simon.

I started out loving Kaylee in the pilot: the strawberry, the parasole, the cheerfullness, 'That's my girl, that's my good girl' etc. - and I loved the sparkle between her and Simon: he was so uptight and arrogant there, but when he looked at her you could see there's more to him, and she brought it out.
I continued to like her in Train Job and Bushwacked, and it was fun to watch the sparkle between her and Simon grow. My admiration for her culminated in Shindig: oh, she was so sweet in her Cinderella dress, and winning the hearts of all those older gentlemen at the Party with mechanic talk - priceless.

But since Safe, since she started hitting on Simon heavily, my admiration went downhill. She appeared selfish and too demanding to me: it looked like she just wanted "a bite" out of the man (in her own words there) and didn't really care about him as a person or tried to understand him. All she cared for is to have her way with this good-looking fella, and she could get mightily mean with him when that desire couldn't be fullfilled as fast as she wanted.

That scene in the store in Safe: it was so obvious that Simon was at the end of his rope, he looked and felt at that time like a tired mother whose kid is having a tantrum in a public place and who's had a scene with her husband shortly before that (I believe mothers out here can emphasize...) Anyone with eyes could see that, but Kaylee didn't notice as she was too busy drooling over his looks. No wonder her comment about "having fun" provokes the outburst from him, and she lashes back with suprising meanness, without even trying to think why he would say such things. Gee, could it be that he is not the happiest or care-free-est guy in the world, could it be that something is eating at him - what would that be, eh? Does one have to be a smartie to figure it out? Kaylee's not stupid - so it looked like she just didn't care.

But it gets even worse in Jamestown: her trying to lecture him on error of his ways of being polite and cultured and gentlemanly. She wanted him to change for her: that's a big no-no in relationships. But moreover, she wanted him to change for the worse just because she was uncomfortable with him being a bit out of her league. The man lost everything, lost his old life with all that was dear for him, besides his wreck of a sister whom he also almost lost. Those manners, culture, principles - those are things which help him to hold it together, to remain himself in unfamiliar and often adverse circumstances.
There are stories out there since times of gold rushes, about people having to spend winter locked in some cabin, or being lost and having to treck out of the woods for weeks. My half-brother was a forester and now he is a hunter, and he's been in such situations. The guys who continue to shave regularly, to wash their clothes, to build up fire & cook hot meals even if they are starving and tired and that means more work - those guys have much better chance to get out of this alive and well than those who just let it go and sink down to primary state.
It's the same for Simon - keeping his refined manners really helps him to survive and remain whole, and it's very inconsiderate of Kaylee to try and kick it from under him.
And come on - her head wouldn't have exploded if she learned a bit about Egyptians. History is fun, expanding horizons is fun, learning something beyound the daily routine is fun as well.

Also that bit with her chiding him for getting beaten by Stitch makes me cringe. First of all: it was her fault for leaving him at that bar, where he was clearly out of place, for no practical purpose but out of spite for his awkward words. She left him there bewildered and hangover, and Stitch got him by suprise, OK? Plus this Stitch was thick as a bull: not only Simon hitting him with a bottle had no effect, but later Jayne throws a huge knife at him and this guy just ignores it and keeps fighting with a knife sticking out of his chest! Blaming Simon for loosin

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