The 12th Planet/Nibiru/ Zacharia Stitchen/ End Time/ The Gods of Eden & the Mayan Calender/Alternative Belifes
POSTED BY: piratejenny
UPDATED: Monday, June 5, 2006 10:46
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alright...i understand what your saying, but i think your making a mistake.
firstly, i am aware monotheism is one God, and polytheism is several gods...you are making the claim that the Annunaki are our creators, but that they themselves are biological evolutions. this is where we disagree. Christianity is not a distortion of this concept...the God of christianity is the God of the creation of the universe..that is what we believe. it is hard for some to grasp this concept due to pre-conceived notions about institutionlized religion; people already have biases against Judeo-Christians. the Annunaki claimed to be our gods, that is the seperation of idealogy from Sumer. the Summarians believed that the Annunaki were their gods, because from the beginning Man was led astray by the watchers, the Annunaki. and because of their direct influence, the other mesopotamian cultures shared similar beliefs...which explains the cross-reverencability. Noah, and Enoch and some of the more righteous Patriachs of that time period, directly questioned this, saying "surely these are not the gods who created everything, but are creations of Yahweh"! this is the point! Yahweh is the creative force behind the universe...and he eventually manifested into Jesus as a man..he was not an angel, which is what the Annunaki were. this was a radical concept for humanity because we had been estranged from our creator..and this became the seperation of Gods covenant people; im not asking you to believe that, but understand their are clear-cut boundaries here in our idealogies..it may seem to some that its cut and dry, since Sumer historically pre-dates the biblical OT, it therefore preceeds its reliability..but thats simply not true. the OT is found more accurate as the years pass and archeological evidence is found to support its claims..if you were to ask a Christian scholar sometime, he will firmly distinguish our origins from theirs!
now the Bible has a motive to distinguish itself from the other 'theisms from antiquity, which is where the variances come into play. think about it: if the creator God did exist, how would fallen man be reconciled with him without 1-an intervention, and 2-a campaign to disclose himself. well..thats what happened!
i have to disagree on the part about the bible being a tool for control aswell..i just simply dont buy that. every human-being, regardless of what they believe, has a nature that is flawed! when we fell, we became imperfect, sinful beings. when people say "christians are just as judgemental and hypocritical, they have the same lustfull or dirty thoughts as anyone!" that is true! so what makes someone who isnt christian any different? we are striving for Yeshuas grace and acceptance! what standards do they set in their hearts, what reprocussions do they have beyond their own conscience? this was the reason for the Law, and for Yeshua to fullfill the Law. Jesus was what God wanted Man to be originally, not what the Annunaki turned us into. the fact that we have the free will to make choices to murder or rape or to give freely, that was the knowledge of good and *evil, spoken of in the Garden. i need people to understand this..the real "tool" is leading people to believe that they didnt need God, that they can achieve a righteousness seperate from the Law, that our God is suppressive and wants to keep us in the dark. surely you recognize that this is what Satan said in the garden!? look at the world..the knowledge to do evil is the deal we got out of that!
when Jesus was asked what the most important commandmant was, he said "love your God above all else, and love your neighbor as yourself" to me, that doesnt leave any room for hate, prejudice, or any other injustice that the world claims the Abrahamic religions are responsible for. if people are not obeying the Laws, it is because we are imperfect in our sin nature...this is my point. no one is righteous enough in Gods eyes, so how much more so for those who deny his existence!? Christians do not force their beliefs on ot
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well there is certainly nothing wrong with disagreeing and I do see or rather understand what you are saying.
but that is the diffrence, I'm not going on belifes or rather I'm basing my belifes on facts, or available information.
your saying the God of Christanity is the creator of all things. or rather you are saying thats what you believe.
I'm simply saying based on factual information that is not so.( its not a point I'm going to argue because there is no need) I'm stating as a fact based on avalible information, that the Annunakki are the God/Gods of christianty.
Some people could be slapped in the face with the truth and still believe what they want, and thats O.K by me, its not my goal to try to change anyone's belife , I'm just searching for the truth or true information and thats my only purpose.
The concept of a creator of everything is not hard for me to grasp, ..its just that it can't be grasped within the context of the informaton in the Christian religion or faith..not if its based on the bible because there is no such source, the hebrew/christians clearly and provenly got there info and Gods from the sumerian..thats a fact.
Correct me if I'm wrong but what I'm getting from you, is that there is a God creator of everything who exist seperate from the annunakki... who also created the annunakki...unfortuantely based on the information which is in the bible and sumarian text, this just isn't true..the God in the bible is indeed the annunakki, if there was some doubt about this based on the information I wouldn't hesitate to say so, but it just isn't so..
I'm not saying that such a being couldn't exist or doesn't exist, I'm just saying its not the God in the bible, because they are clearly talking about the annunakki.
I would like to understand what you personally mean, by God the creator of everything, but so far your not being to clear on your own concept( doesn't mean I have to agree or that you have to agree with me its just about trying to understand where someone else is coming from)
you bring up, the source of good and evil, and knowlege and that it was the knowlege to rape, kill etc.
I urge you to read the orginal surmerian story, for your own benifit, because that wasn't the issue at all. the knowlege that humans sought had nothing to do with good or evil. it has to do with ethics and morals, and spirtual information. Hence if one acts in immoral or unethical ways but don't know or have an understanding that they are doing so, then what hope do they have of correcting such behavior..hence is where the part knowing good from evil comes.
The story of the Garden of eden is how through knowlege mankind tried to free themselves from the yoke of annunakki bondage. Which is why the annunakki did everything in their power to stop mankind from gaining knowlege.( its the same story told in the bible, unfortantly the bible condensed the story down to symbolism and alligory and left out the details that made it coherent)
you also say that the real tool was the belife to lead people into the belife that they didn't need God...
But that is not true= all one has to do is look around to see how untrue that is, religion and the belife in God is thriving, and has since mankind has existed. Look at all the religions and institutions that have sprung up and flourished as a result of religion and the belife and need to believe in God/ gods
IMO....so far it seem the opposite of that statement is true, the belife and dependence on God/ gods have not stopped people from acting out in immoral or unethical ways, actually religion and the worship of God/ gods have created more problems and issues for people to act out in immoral and unethical and degrading ways.( I don't say this to be mean I say it based on history and what I see every single day)) religion does not teach knowelge or ethics or morality, religion is and adherance to the laws of God/gods and his/their will.
based on the information and research I've done, I believe that the need for God/Gods does u
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i appreciate your comments..i still must respectfully disagree though
its not that i am unfamiliar with the stories of the Annunaki per se, ive been drawing on the similarities for a long while now, mostly reading them in passing...i just simply dont agree with their ascertation or premis
theres one quote from the book of Enoch, and a quote from book of Jasher i wanted to show you. (i reference them because Jesus quoted extensively from the OT, and was shown to fullfill OT prophecy; which is kind of an independant corroboration on his part; but i digress.) anyways:
*jasher 9:10-19 "And there was not a man found in those days in the whole earth, who knew the Lord (for they served each man his own God) except Noah and his household, and all those who were under his counsel knew the Lord in those days.
And Abram the son of Terah was waxing great in those days in the house of Noah, and no man knew it, and the Lord was with him.
And the Lord gave Abram an understanding heart, and he knew all the works of that generation were vain, and that all their gods were vain and were of no avail.
And Abram saw the sun shining upon the earth, and Abram said unto himself Surely now this sun that shines upon the earth is God, and him will I serve.
And Abram served the sun in that day and he prayed to him, and when evening came the sun set as usual, and Abram said within himself, Surely this cannot be God?
And Abram still continued to speak within himself, Who is he who made the heavens and the earth? who created upon earth? where is he?
And night darkened over him, and he lifted up his eyes toward the west, north, south, and east, and he saw that the sun had vanished from the earth, and the day became dark.
And Abram saw the stars and moon before him, and he said, Surely this is the God who created the whole earth as well as man, and behold these his servants are gods around him: and Abram served the moon and prayed to it all that night.
And in the morning when it was light and the sun shone upon the earth as usual, Abram saw all the things that the Lord God had made upon earth.
And Abram said unto himself Surely these are not gods that made the earth and all mankind, but these are the servants of God, and Abram remained in the house of Noah and there knew the Lord and his ways' and he served the Lord all the days of his life, and all that generation forgot the Lord, and served other gods and rebelled all their days."
this is an example of God the creator, the God of the of the Jews..and the Annunaki, the gods of the Summarians.
Enoch 10-15
"And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another:
'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing'
Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Sêmîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These are their chiefs of tens.
(so later one of the angels says to Enoch)...
"Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men for you: Wherefore have y
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