A well regulated Militia

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 1, 2006 4:33 PM

I am not going to lobby for your right to carry anything.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

ANTHONYT

Thursday, June 1, 2006 4:59 PM

And that's why I don't support gun control, however reasonable.

The goal is never to limit the weapons I can carry. It is to eliminate the weapons I can carry.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

CAUSAL

Thursday, June 1, 2006 9:38 PM

Haven't the time to read all the posts, but I thought I'd throw this in to stir the pot.

Quote:

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/specialreports/79388.php

From the Arizona Daily Star

Tucson, Arizona

Published: 06.12.2005

They're pulled from backyard pools and bathtubs each year, tiny limp bodies, blue and not breathing.

A young life can vanish quickly under water. A survivor can endure a lifetime of disabilities. Either way, families are torn apart by an almost always preventable tragedy.

Standard summer companions in our desert climate, swimming pools can be deadlier for children than guns. A child is 100 times more likely to die in a swimming accident than in gunplay, writes Steven D. Levitt, University of Chicago economics professor and best-selling author.

Levitt analyzed child deaths from residential swimming pools and guns and found one child under 10 drowns annually for every 11,000 pools. By comparison, one child under 10 each year is killed by a gun for every 1 million guns, according to his research, outlined in a new book "Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side to Everything," which he co-wrote with journalist Stephen J. Dubner.
In part because they are so familiar, swimming pools are less frightening than guns, Levitt writes.

But the danger is clear - drowning is the leading cause of accidental death for children younger than 5 in Arizona and the second-leading cause of injury-related death nationally among children younger than 15.

Water kills an average of three children each year in Tucson and, even with proper fences, swimming lessons and caution, danger lurks.
"Living with a swimming pool in your back yard is like living next to the Grand Canyon," said Dr. Bob Berg, a pediatric intensive specialist at University Medical Center and a UA professor. "You should never feel comfortable there."

So where's the drive to ban backyard swimming pools? They kill more kids than guns!

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EMMARIGBY

Thursday, June 1, 2006 9:50 PM

Hhhm, I see where you're going with this. And yet, call me crazy but I'm not as afraid of being attacked by a back-yard swimming pool!

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CAUSAL

Thursday, June 1, 2006 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
Hhhm, I see where you're going with this. And yet, call me crazy but I'm not as afraid of being attacked by a back-yard swimming pool!

So were you planning to respond to the article's argument? Because it didn't ref attacks, it talked about danger to children. One of the key components of the gun-control/ban argument is the danger that firearms pose to children. This article points out that backyard pools are far more dangerous. My point: people accept the risk of the pool (even though it may kill their kids), but not the risk of a gun in the home.

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EMMARIGBY

Thursday, June 1, 2006 10:14 PM

My apologies, you are right, I have not read the whole of this thread, just jumped in at the end because I spotted a post in the linear thread that leapt out at me. I'm sorry if I went off your original topic. I shall now butt out. However, I still don't think (after reading the thread) that my comment was entirely inapproprate. You cannot really only consider the danger of guns to children and disregard the threat to everyone else.

Sorry, that was supposed to be me shutting up. I'm off to bed now.

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CITIZEN

Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:00 PM

It's okay to let nutters have guns so they can kill children in school because negligent parents let their kids die in swimming pools.

Yeah there's some sort of logic there.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

CAUSAL

Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
It's okay to let nutters have guns so they can kill children in school because negligent parents let their kids die in swimming pools.

Yeah there's some sort of logic there.

Well, I love how you ascribed advocacy of gun ownership to me, when I didn't even mention a position one way or the other. And I like how you sensationalized the issue while completely missing the point I was making. My point was simply this: people kick up a fuss over guns because they kill kids, but don't over pools, which are statistically more likely to kill kids. Now why would that be? I was trying to prompt discussion of that phenomenon, not make a case for or against private firearms ownership. How about next time you think about what I'm actually saying, instead of reacting emotionally to what you think I might be saying.

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CITIZEN

Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:18 PM

Well twisting another person point of view into something it's not because then you can denigrate it is very right wing of you. You pick one of the many facets of the argument and say "yeah but swimming pools!"

Well frankly m'dear I think hunger kills more children than guns and swimming pools combined, as does disease, as does war, mainly through the use of guns, which is entirely irrelevant just like your 'point'.

And your bias is fairly self evident so how about you get off that high horse yeah. You want everyone to play your game, sorry no.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

PDCHARLES

Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
It's okay to let nutters have guns so they can kill children in school because negligent parents let their kids die in swimming pools.

Who is LETTING nutters have guns?

I am sure someone can find the facts on what type of incidents result in nutters killing kids in school. Was it a drive by? drug deals gone bad? ...or negligent parents again... are these black market guns or did the kids/nutters go buy them?

It seems most every vision of the future including Joss's (yes it is fiction) have weaponry and people acting the same old way... some good, some bad.. some bad killing the good and some good protecting themselves from the bad. Is this because authors are just so used to guns being around they cannot imagine a world without them or is it they understand human nature?

oh wait a minute "Demolition Man", vote now for Eutopia

Take a look at this thread... doesn't take much for people to go off today.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=21154

Wha?!?... *sniff sniff* OH.... IM ON FIRE!!!

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