Road Rage

POSTED BY: ChrisMoorhead
UPDATED: Friday, June 2, 2006 19:03
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MONKSDAD

Thursday, June 1, 2006 2:31 PM

in the eyes of the law that is pulling the knife on the guy. So if this happend to you would say stop threatning my car with that knife.

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 1, 2006 2:42 PM

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Angry that he had done this to me, and that he refused to step up when I called his bluff.

But ultimately, I'm glad this happened. It's a growing experience.

Holy crap. How exactly did you expect this guy to "step up" and what bluff were you calling?

I'd say someone is a real tool in this situation...and it wasn't the one in the car.

And really, you should go back to high school, or perhaps junior high, because that's where your mentality regarding this situation belongs. We all get angry over lame ass drivers, but you don't pull a weapon and taunt someone with it. You knew exactly what you were doing and what this guys reaction would be. You were threatening him and vandalizing his car.

But, for some reason, I doubt this really happened. I can't believe that the other people would sit around watching you do this and not call the cops on you. I would've had my cell out in a second and given them your description, your license plate and hoped like hell they found you.

SIGMANUNKI

Thursday, June 1, 2006 2:47 PM

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It is by natural law that you have the right to kill me.

Last I checked, we weren't in the jungle, living up in the trees, flinging feces at one another.

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But no other animal in nature judges it’s pray before it kills.

Yes they do, just not in the way that you're getting at eg. the lion has to judge who in a hurd is the easiest kill, otherwise it'd just be a big waste of energy, which would be a very bad thing for him.

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Robert Heinlein observed that "An armed society is a polite society",

You forgot a word in there ie forced. As in "An armed society is a forced polite society". It is also a society that is polite because of fear. This is not a nice society nor one that any civilized nation (beyond the 1700/1800's) would aim to be.

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but we here in the states live from day to day without the threat of punishment to keep us in line.

So, there isn't such thing as jail where you come from?

Quite frankly, I really think that you still have this highschool mentality. So, I'm not bothering with you anymore than letting you know about your logical inconsistencies above. God I hope you never reproduce.

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"We don't fear the reaper"

CHRISMOORHEAD

Thursday, June 1, 2006 3:08 PM

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let me get this straight you pulled a knife on someone because he cut you off and made faces at you ? then you scratched up his car. you feel good about this? first of all "man law" tells us right away were your mind is at (beer comercial).
your a pussy for pulling a knife on someone cant you handle your own without a weapon
Your an idiot for telling the story on FFF.net

And I could say the same about you for resorting to name calling over the internet. I had the objective of scratching his car up. I gave him the opportunity to go hand to hand with me by calling him out at the stop light. He chose to make faces instead. Telling the story online? I’ve been taken in for intent to commit homicide before via a very long transcript saved and printed out on AIM. After I showed the detectives how easy it is to simulate it, not only did they let me go but they brought my accuser in for questioning on using fake evidence against me.

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I know you werent in vegas when you did this because you would of been turned into a bloody heap with no head if you did. (we give out conceled weapons permit with your drivers license at the dmv)well at least it seems that way.
grow up dude

And my, how tough you sound. “Round these parts here in Vegas, you’d be in for some real trouble!”. We’re all products of our environment. I knew where I was, I knew where the nearest police station was, and I knew the length of the stop light. You’re right, I wouldn’t have done it in Vegas, but since I was in a very tiny suburb, I took my chances. I’m no worse for the wear.

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Holy crap. How exactly did you expect this guy to "step up" and what bluff were you calling?

I'd say someone is a real tool in this situation...and it wasn't the one with the knife.

And really, you should go back to high school, or perhaps junior high, because that's where your mentality regarding this situation belongs. We all get angry over lame ass drivers, but you don't pull a weapon and taunt someone with it. You knew exactly what you were doing and what this guys reaction would be. You were threatening him and vandalizing his car.

I expected this guy to “step up” when I leaned out of my window and asked him if he had a problem. You can hurl all accusations of immaturity that you want at me. It’s not like I do this regularly to people who cut me off, and obviously you think that even once is too much, but you’re right, I knew exactly what I was doing and I’d do it again.

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But, for some reason, I doubt this really happened. I can't believe that the other people would sit around watching you do this and not call the cops on you. I would've had my cell out in a second and given them your description, your license plate and hoped like hell they found you.

And what evidence would they have had? A scratched car and a discarded butterfly knife on the side of the road are not sufficient evidence to convict me. But if you really don’t think that this happened, then why are you wasting your time?

Although obviously, I posted this subject on an open forum, I would appriciate it if all subsequent responses are to rejoice in the fact an asshole driver finally got his cumuffins, and will probably be much more careful on the roads from now on. But, if you really want to argue, I suppose I'm up for debating.

CHRISMOORHEAD

Thursday, June 1, 2006 3:20 PM

Don't worry, I don't plan on reproducing. But, since you're going to be all big and mature about it, I'll send a Parthian shot your way.

Lions judge the easiest prey? No, it is a matter of fact that they get as close as possible to a pack of animals, attack, and kill the closest one. If that fails, they lay chase, and the one that falls behind gets killed. There is no discernment of the weak animal, only the rooting out of it. But, the very fact you brought this debate so far away from the original point with an analogy about lions shows exactly how asinine you're being anyways.

Funny about the quote, because that's the only time I've ever heard the word "forced" put into it. Could it be that you're using "quot"ations around a phrase that you made up yourself? Regardless of how correct you may or may not be, which is the subject of this little exchange in the first place, maybe you should go back to high school as well and learn what quotations are used for.

Jail only covers punishment for crimes that can be proven and are of a specific nature. That leaves a vast majority of criminals who haven't been proven, and opportunities to do plenty of things that are only psuedo-illegal. Aggressive driving is an arrestable offense here in Maryland, but no cop saw him do it, and probably wouldn't have cared to enforce the law if he had. Further evidence? I just destroyed someone's property, and I'm not in jail, either. By that fact, doesn't jail time seem to be a moot punishment in many cases? And for those cases, what are we to do? Stand by an let it happen because there's no one with a badge around?

At least the other guy said he'd call the cops, even if it wouldn't have done any good.

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 1, 2006 3:43 PM

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At least the other guy said he'd call the cops, even if it wouldn't have done any good.

Ever heard of camera phones? And eyewitnesses? Enough people say you were the one and you'd get caught.

I've been in a similiar situation before. I had a man follow me into a parking lot, park next to me all the while screaming obscenities. He got out of his car, came to my window and threatened me, telling me to get out of the car. Scared the crap outta me. All this because he didn't think I pulled over fast enough when an ambulance was coming from the other direction around a large blind curve. I pulled over, just not fast enough for him. This guy was leaps above you on the evolutionary scale.

There are appropriate and inappropriate outlets for anger. Screaming, cursing, flipping someone off? All fine. Pulling a knife, damaging personal property, and threatening someone are not. The fact is you KNEW you were wrong, you decided to do it anyway.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, June 1, 2006 4:25 PM

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What evidence would they have had? A scratched car and a discarded butterfly knife on the side of the road...

Anyone else hope some kid wasn't walking by at the time who witnessed this and picked up the discarded knife? At least the knife would belong to a more responsible owner than it's previous one.

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

CHRISMOORHEAD

Thursday, June 1, 2006 6:20 PM

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“You knew exactly what you were doing and what this guys reaction would be. You were threatening him and vandalizing his car.”

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“…but you’re right, I knew exactly what I was doing and I’d do it again.”

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“The fact is you KNEW you were wrong, you decided to do it anyway.”

If you're going to point out that this guy that followed you was above me on the evolutionary scale, then I can only assume that you believe that you were above him, and by that very fact, above me as well. Apparently, being above me on an evolutionary scale goes hand in hand with being both ignorant to other's responses and redundantly visiting dead issues. The fact is, I already admitted I knew what I was doing.

Now, it being "right" or "wrong" is the topic of debate. Were you never properly taught how to hold a conversation of conflicting interest without resorting to attacks on the person themselves? I guess that must be part of being higher up on the evolutionary scale, too.

Is it lonely atop that high horse on which you sit? Apparently not, since so many people seem to be up there with you. Now, I will reiterate, since no one else seems to be catching on. I'll even number my points for you, so that you can better understand them.

1) You have no right to judge me. This was a conflict of interests between two people. You were not involved.

2) Yes, I started a thread on an open forum for discussion about it. So I can't "fault" any of you for voicing your opinions. That being said, if you absolutely have to voice disagreement on the matter, you should be able to do it without attacking me personally.

3) Anyone who does attack me personally is obviously looking to start something themselves.

3-A) Does that not go against the entire spirit of the point you're trying to get across? To avoid senseless acts of conflict? If you resort to personal attacks, all the topic is going to be is senseless mudslinging, so in the end wont it have been as equally worthless?

3-B) If I at least admit to it being senseless but do it anyways, that could make me a number of things. But by admonishing me for my senseless conflict, and starting one of your own, does that not make you to some effect a hypocrite?

Maybe you're not physically following me, but thus far haven't you spent more time, RugBug, to continually harass me than the guy that followed you took to harass you? Again, I know it's a public forum, but I've already asked kindly that if you don't like what I've done to just not respond. Thus, I must assume that any subsequent disagreements are in direct opposition to my plea, so isn't that some sort of harassment?

And finally my 4th NEW point: I'm not in jail. I'll bet any one of you a week, two weeks, or a month from now, I still wont be in jail. If you're all bringing up what MIGHT have been the situation to show me where I faulted, then shouldn't reality be the ultimate deciding factor? If you say yes, reality should be the deciding factor, then let's wait and see. If no, reality should not be the deciding factor, then you've just admitted that your point is not steeped in reality. If it's not steeped in reality, it's not credible or applicable. By that fact, maybe it's better to just abandon the "what could have happened" point entirely.

But hell, if I do end up in jail, I'll buy each one of you a Tootsie Roll.

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 1, 2006 7:11 PM

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If you're going to point out that this guy that followed you was above me on the evolutionary scale, then I can only assume that you believe that you were above him, and by that very fact, above me as well.

Yes, I do feel above you...regarding this matter. I'm not ashamed to admit that. I get angry, ocassionally inappropriately angry, but I've never threatened someone with a weapon, nor have I damaged someone's personal property.

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1) You have no right to judge me.

I have every right to judge you. I can sit here and judge every single poster on this forum. I can judge every single person in this world. Being the lowly schmo that I am, my judgement means naught in this world. Doesn't mean I have no right to do it.

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2) Yes, I started a thread on an open forum for discussion about it. So I can't "fault" any of you for voicing your opinions. That being said, if you absolutely have to voice disagreement on the matter, you should be able to do it without attacking me personally.

Yep, I attacked you personally. I called you a tool and said you were lower on the evolutionary scale than some others in this world. You've attacked my intelligence a few times, so I'd say we're even.

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3) Anyone who does attack me personally is obviously looking to start something themselves.

3-A) Does that not go against the entire spirit of the point you're trying to get across? To avoid senseless acts of conflict?

I'm not trying to avoid senseless acts of conflict. As a matter of fact, some conflict can be fun and educational. Brings color to the cheeks. Criminal acts and thuggery, That's what I'm calling out.

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Maybe you're not physically following me, but thus far haven't you spent more time, RugBug, to continually harass me than the guy that followed you took to harass you? Again, I know it's a public forum, but I've already asked kindly that if you don't like what I've done to just not respond. Thus, I must assume that any subsequent disagreements are in direct opposition to my plea, so isn't that some sort of harassment?

Why do people online always bring up harassment when they post some shocking stuff and then get called out on it? If this was a thread about, heck, Firefly and we were flash posting each other, would that be harassment? Just because I don't agree with you, nor do those others up here with me on my high horse, doesn't mean I am harassing you. Reread your comments about this being a public forum. You can post what you want. I can post what I want.

Also, physically threatening me and reading posts on an anonymous online forum are so dissimilar a comparison is ridiculous. I can ignore you online, if I choose. Someone physically standing there yelling at me, enough that others got involved, is not something I can ignore.

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If you're all bringing up what MIGHT have been the situation to show me where I faulted, then shouldn't reality be the ultimate deciding factor? If you say yes, reality should be the deciding factor, then let's wait and see. If no, reality should not be the deciding factor, then you've just admitted that your point is not steeped in reality. If it's not steeped in reality, it's not credible or applicable. By that fact, maybe it's better to just abandon the "what could have happened" point entirely.

If this is your logic, I can see how you've decided that your actions are not only justified but a-okay. Just because you don't get caught, doesn't mean something is right. Reality very often has nothing to do with morality and ethics. The reality of this matter is that what you did was criminal. Just because you may not face any consequences of those actions doesn't make them any less criminal.

CHRISMOORHEAD

Thursday, June 1, 2006 7:41 PM

You've a unique way of ignoring and acknowledging what I've said at the same time. For example, I acknowledge that it's an open forum, but ask you not to hurl insults at me, and again you play your reiteration game.

And no, you've no right to judge me. That doesn't mean that you can't; but you've no right to, because you're just as much a piece of scum as me. To think anything else only un-substantiates all of your opinions, because you're making them from an assumed authority of being "better". Note: Assumed Authority. None was given to you, and you have none.

All of my attacks at you have been in response to your first attacks on me. Scroll up. Notice that no where before your first message where you attempted to insult me (nice how you changed “wasn’t the one with the knife” to “wasn’t the one in the car”) and tell me that I belonged in high school did I ever mention your name. I didn’t even know who you were, but your introduction to me was not as an intelligent person with a differing opinion, but a mudslinger who first called me a tool then said that I belong in high school.

I don’t assume that righteousness is in whether or not you get caught, rather it was you:

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Ever heard of camera phones? And eyewitnesses? Enough people say you were the one and you'd get caught.

...who brought it up as a point in the first place. I was merely responding to what you said… or did you forget why you said it? Is that why you’re so very redundant? Because you can’t remember what you said five minutes ago? My apologies, if you had told me you had Alzheimer’s, I wouldn’t have called you on it.

If you had any type of ability to discern issues from words, perhaps you would have caught that I was not comparing the actions of physically stalking and stalking online, only the intent. However, since you admit to NOT trying to avoid senseless acts of conflict, I can see that the physical part is indeed the only difference made in your mind. And why does the physical presence make so much of a difference? Is it because of the ability for damage to be inflicted in a personal encounter, and not online? In other words, you’re happy to spout off where people can’t get to you, but when it comes to physical confrontation you’ll hide behind words like “thuggery” and a guise of being more civilized? I might call you a coward, but since I don’t judge...

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