X-3 The Last Stand

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TAYEATRA

Monday, May 29, 2006 1:04 PM

*snort*

Very nice Em, but I'm wondering what that says about your subconscious!

Maybe our BDH's could use their superpowers to destroy the damned troll that seems to be everywhere on these boards recently. I just don't understand some people.

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I'm going to S3!!!
(*Insert hysterical celebration dance here*)

DEEPGIRL187

Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:17 PM

I'm not going to go on the "let's jump on Ratner bandwagon" here, because the truth of the matter is, there were problems with Singer and Ratner's work.

I do enjoy Singer's work (just watch House for a good example). But there were always some things that I felt he fell short on in the X-Men series. Mainly, it had to do with the dialogue. I'm not saying that Ratner did a stellar job, but there were some scenes in the first two X-Men that made me want to chew nails ("Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning?"). In addition, his action sequences were a little weak. I mean, we are talking about a comic book here. While I know that there might be some constraints regarding special effects, the mutant's power's were given their due under Ratner's direction.

All that being said, I do have some beef with Ratner's work. The biggest one is this:

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Rogue was extremely underdeveloped. This really began with Singer, but Ratner made it worse. I can understand her wanting a cure, her mutation is one of the worst. But her character never was showed the attention that the others were. Just look at her character in the comic, or the animated series. She was one of the strongest women on the team. But in the movies, she is nothing more than someone to feel sorry for. She should have been given a chance to develop her secondary powers, and she should have been allowed to fight. Not doing so was a great disservice to her character.

The second one, to a lesser degree, is this:

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Scott really got the short end of the stick. I know his character wasn't focused on as much in the comics, but to simply kill him off in the first twenty minutes is sad. Ratner and Singer did nothing more than make him into a one dimensional, goody two-shoes kind of character, and there was more to him than that.

A lot more could have been done with all of the X-Men movies. In reality, you can't just blame one director, because it took both of them to get there.

Edit: Oh, and P.S. HippieBrowncoat:

Quote:
Magneto had Pyro, 1000 personality man and Juggernaut by his side

The 1000 personality man was actually called "Multiple Man". In the comic books, he was a member of X-Factor.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:32 PM

I can sum up my feelings about X3 in one word: disappointed. It wasn't a really bad movie, it just felt empty to me. There was all that flash and bang, and nothing at all behind it.

I also felt that there were too few X men and too many bad guys. As someone mentioned, you've got this whole school full of mutants, and the best you can do is half a dozen people??? I'll add my complaints of "I want my sexy Cajun boy" to the others. (By the way, Emmarigby, you don't even want to see my list of cartoon characters that I wish were real. )

And Cybersnark, that Gambit side story you were talking about is EXACTLY what I wanted to see in this movie. Let me know if you write that X3 fanfic! Anyways, here's hoping for another, better X men movie.

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BLACKOUTNIGHTS

Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:37 PM

I agree. Whole-heartedly recommend going to see the show. It's worth your $5-$10 bucks, even though it's not quite as good as the others.

I agree with most of the spoilerish problems mentioned above.

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Love the Danger Room scene, but wish we would've gotten to see more of the Sentinel.

Overall, the biggest problem for me was the rushed feel. Seriously, two main arc story plots in one movie? Almost as bad as the Constantine movie's job of handling the Dangerous Habits story line. Good Lord.

Interesting note. My wife, who isn't into the comics, found the movie to be too slow in the characterization parts.

And I wouldn't say there are too many characters. That was part of the complexity of the comic. Actually, I could have handled more characters, specifically Nightcrawler and Gambit..heck maybe even a little of The New Mutants. Cannonball and Cable could be neat.

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Surprised no one's mentioned that Scott may not actually be dead. Plenty of room left for him to be alive somehow. Heck, even Jean might get brought back. How many times have we seen a character in the Marvel books die only to be revived? This ain't A Game of Thrones.

See the movie. It's worth your dinero. It grossed $103 million opening weekend, so we're sure to continue to see X-flicks.

VERA2529

Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:37 PM

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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
I know, I'm a sick, sick puppy! (And I don't usually like a lot of hair on a man!) You know, I didn't even realise until the credits that that was Kelsie Grammer under there. And I like watching Frasier! He did have the right voice, just a poor script that didn't allow him to sparkle!

ER, I so agree with this statment about Beast. I loved Beast and was so excited to have him in the film. And I was even excited to have Kelsey Grammer for his voice. But his dialogue did not do him justice.

And ChronicThe Hedgehog: I totally agree with you about Storm and Halle Berry's inadequate portrayal of the character. She just doesn't get it. I rolled my eyes everytime she opened her mouth.

That said, I still had fun at the movie.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:57 PM

Nos first let me ask how many teenaged girls do you know? Teenage girls would do just about anything to get the boy. Of course not all, but you would be amazed how many are out there that would.

Second - are you at Lakenheath?

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

DEEPGIRL187

Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:58 PM

I don't know if anyone's heard this, but originally, Gambit was supposed to be in the movie. One of the actors they approached was Josh Holloway, whom many of you know as Sawyer from Lost. However, due to time constraints because of the show, he wasn't able to do it.

*sigh*

I would have paid full price to see that...

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

TAYEATRA

Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:05 PM

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Originally posted by BlackoutNights:
[BHow many times have we seen a character in the Marvel books die only to be revived? This ain't A Game of Thrones.

You reminded me of a little cartoon on the web that I saw a few months back and made me laugh...

Here's the link

http://www.flashplayer.com/animation/xmendeath.html

Just click on the little picture on the left (phoenix and magneto cartoon) to watch it. Seriously... it's so true!

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Taya
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I'm going to S3!!!
(*Insert hysterical celebration dance here*)

SHINY

Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:17 PM

In addition to the ones you mention, Hippie, the one that stood out to me was

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How quickly Magneto changed his mind ("what have I done?") when Dark Phoenix really hadn't wreaked that much havoc yet -- no more death/destruction than Magneto has caused in his day. Yes, she was showing herself capable of that but I don't think that the Magneto character would have felt remorse until/unless she had actually wiped out say a city's worth of people or something...

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ZEEK

Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:22 PM

I'm sure I won't remember all the things I didn't like about this movie. I mean couldn't they have just made up some mutants if they weren't going to follow their storylines in the first place? Why do you need juggernaut if he's not juggernaut? Why not just have some big tough guy on magneto's side?

Phoenix wasn't developed at all. Could they have given her a couple of lines? She could have at least said "I'm angry for no specific reason". Instead she just glared and went nuts.

The cure was a little too powerful. It takes 5 seconds to take full effect, yet there was a line out the doors to get it? Seems like they could have been whipping people in and out of the operating room.

I agree with everyone else who thinks the x-men ended up getting the short end of the mutant stick. Where were all of them hiding anyway?

The sadest part is I knew after walking out that this is the movie Joss will never make. It's also the movie that will make more money than probably any Joss movie ever will. I also knew that instead of "The Last Stand" they should have called it "Super Kill Boobie Kill Explosion Kill Kill". Which of course paraphrases a Joss joke.

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