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The 12th Planet/Nibiru/ Zacharia Stitchen/ End Time/ The Gods of Eden & the Mayan Calender/Alternative Belifes

POSTED BY: piratejenny
UPDATED: Monday, June 5, 2006 10:46
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SONOFMAN

Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:16 AM

thanks for the comments. there is so much to this entire study that it really goes beyond my personal knowledge..so i will have to look into it further before i am able to debate you productively. but i appreciate your perspective. i definately agree with most of your points, i am still of the belief though that the annunnaki were the fallen angels, and that Yahweh is the creator God manifest..but i surely have taken in what you have said, since in essence it doesnt neccessarily refute what i believe

since im of the believe that the b'nai elohim, or fallen angels, are the annunnaki, i wont dispute any of the events that happened under the early kings. the bible says that God had(has) a council of beings that were their when he made man, so there is definately room for collusion; much like God in the book of Ezekiel riding on the chariot, with his angel..which sounds for all the world like some kind of craft-if the angels were more intelligent, created beings..then IMO anyways, everything you say did in fact occur, since their are good angels that work for God, and bad angels that work for Satan. what the true intentions were of the Annunnaki is maybe what the debate centers around.

i wont argue since you are clearly more familiar with ancient Sumer than myself... i just have yet to establish whether the Bible steals from, contradicts, or truthfully reveals what was found on the tablets, it still seems to me(and what i read from the scholars) that the Bibles account is something of a "re-telling" of the Sumerians accounts, only from what was claimed to be a radically different perspective at the time. it is alleged that it was a clarification of the original myths..but then thats the christian perspective, so i wont debate you on that..since i really dont know for sure.

it appears as though many of the mesopotamian cultures had variations of the basic creation/flood stories..there is a degree of overlap; but while they share similarities, there are inherent differences in certain details that set them apart(like the cause of the flood, whether it was due to noisiness, corruption..and i believe there is another belief..but its been awhile). its hard to say which is the mis-informed, or distorted rendition, or what...understand that its purely out of my own bias that i choose to continue to support the claimed take of Yahweh..i tend to adapt information i find rather then completely re-structure my beliefs. i can understand why the Sumerian accounts would hold pre-eminence since they pre-date the Bible..my hold-up is Genesis tells that these early beings rebelled against God and helped to corrupt man, so im more or less questioning the credibility of the motives of Annunnaki, not your own research.

i apologize this isnt much of a rebuttal, i dont want to rehash, or beat a dead horse..it sounds like you are familiar enough with the Bible for me to avoid making totally repetitive statements; plus i agree that the annunnaki did exist, only that their intervention was nefarious

one bit of "evidence"(although circumstantial and anecdotel) that i choose to consider is the collection of conspiracy theorist data regarding a NWO. to me it seems, the Annunnaki, and their knowledge, form the bases of the occult beleifs that underly the secret societies such as the Thule society, the Skull and Bones, the Scottish Rite, and the illuminati-which i believe to be vying for world dominance. if the conspiracy theoriests are correct, its curious that the agenda is for a New World Order, when this essentially constitutes the system of the beast that the anti-christ reigns over. now UFOlogy also says that "aliens" support a one world government, and that they have engaged in technology transfers in exchange for a hybrid program or something...and that they are negotiating with the elite. now this seems a bit far-fetched, but if i am to include it.. if aliens are the annunnaki(and the fallen angels), then there seems to be an agenda forming that places lucipher, the fallen angels, the elite(government, corpor

SERGEANTX

Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:49 AM

Is "Pirate" a prefix that means 'batshit insane'?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

PIRATEJENNY

Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:08 AM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Is "Pirate" a prefix that means 'batshit insane'?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

It means whatever you want it to mean!!

REAVERMAN

Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:24 AM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Is "Pirate" a prefix that means 'batshit insane'?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

Not necesarily. I dont agree with her most of the time, but she's a helluva lot saner than PirateNews.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

PIRATEJENNY

Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:24 AM

For anyone out there interested in researching this topic a really Good book to get you started is a book called "The Gods Of Eden" by William Bramley, you can find it at your local book store the library might even have it, the biblography in the back is also good. another Good book is Passport to Magonia

PIRATEJENNY

Saturday, May 27, 2006 6:55 AM

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Originally posted by SonofMan:
thanks for the comments. there is so much to this entire study that it really goes beyond my personal knowledge..so i will have to look into it further before i am able to debate you productively. but i appreciate your perspective. i definately agree with most of your points, i am still of the belief though that the annunnaki were the fallen angels, and that Yahweh is the creator God manifest..but i surely have taken in what you have said, since in essence it doesnt neccessarily refute what i believe

since im of the believe that the b'nai elohim, or fallen angels, are the annunnaki, i wont dispute any of the events that happened under the early kings. the bible says that God had(has) a council of beings that were their when he made man, so there is definately room for collusion; much like God in the book of Ezekiel riding on the chariot, with his angel..which sounds for all the world like some kind of craft-if the angels were more intelligent, created beings..then IMO anyways, everything you say did in fact occur, since their are good angels that work for God, and bad angels that work for Satan. what the true intentions were of the Annunnaki is maybe what the debate centers around.

i wont argue since you are clearly more familiar with ancient Sumer than myself... i just have yet to establish whether the Bible steals from, contradicts, or truthfully reveals what was found on the tablets, it still seems to me(and what i read from the scholars) that the Bibles account is something of a "re-telling" of the Sumerians accounts, only from what was claimed to be a radically different perspective at the time. it is alleged that it was a clarification of the original myths..but then thats the christian perspective, so i wont debate you on that..since i really dont know for sure.

it appears as though many of the mesopotamian cultures had variations of the basic creation/flood stories..there is a degree of overlap; but while they share similarities, there are inherent differences in certain details that set them apart(like the cause of the flood, whether it was due to noisiness, corruption..and i believe there is another belief..but its been awhile). its hard to say which is the mis-informed, or distorted rendition, or what...understand that its purely out of my own bias that i choose to continue to support the claimed take of Yahweh..i tend to adapt information i find rather then completely re-structure my beliefs. i can understand why the Sumerian accounts would hold pre-eminence since they pre-date the Bible..my hold-up is Genesis tells that these early beings rebelled against God and helped to corrupt man, so im more or less questioning the credibility of the motives of Annunnaki, not your own research.

i apologize this isnt much of a rebuttal, i dont want to rehash, or beat a dead horse..it sounds like you are familiar enough with the Bible for me to avoid making totally repetitive statements; plus i agree that the annunnaki did exist, only that their intervention was nefarious

one bit of "evidence"(although circumstantial and anecdotel) that i choose to consider is the collection of conspiracy theorist data regarding a NWO. to me it seems, the Annunnaki, and their knowledge, form the bases of the occult beleifs that underly the secret societies such as the Thule society, the Skull and Bones, the Scottish Rite, and the illuminati-which i believe to be vying for world dominance. if the conspiracy theoriests are correct, its curious that the agenda is for a New World Order, when this essentially constitutes the system of the beast that the anti-christ reigns over. now UFOlogy also says that "aliens" support a one world government, and that they have engaged in technology transfers in exchange for a hybrid program or something...and that they are negotiating with the elite. now this seems a bit far-fetched, but if i am to include it.. if aliens are the annunnaki(and the fallen angels), then there seems to be an agenda forming that places lucipher, the f

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SONOFMAN

Monday, May 29, 2006 8:10 AM

yah thats pretty interesting...i certainly see the relationships between the Sumerian gods and the God of the Bible. i accept the legends of the mesopotamian cultures, so i appreciate the "details". as before, i havent quite embursed myself in Sumer, Babylon, Persia or any of the other ancient cultures of the time, but by their ties to the occult, and the kind of lessons historicaly represented in the Bible... to be honost. although i do a wide range of reading on the internet..ultimately im just trying to form a bigger picture, like everyone else.

but ive taken into consideration a lot of what your saying. for example, is it possible that Michael, the archangel of the Bible, was Enlil? im just curious, since it is him who casts Satan down to earth in Revelations.. on that spritual plane..their was a moral debate among the angels, or Annunaki, about their creation, as they say. is that fair to say? their are many references about angels, who left their domain, who will be resurrected for the judgement day. in Daniel, it says that Gabriel the archangel was resisted by the "prince" or angel of Persia, from delivering the message regarding persia and the end of the age; Michael actually had to come to his aid, but this is an example of competing factions within their realm.

what im wondering is what does the Bible actually mean is happening in the garden of Eden, you know before the deception? the Annunaki claim to have engineered us from pre-existent earthly bi-peds is that right? im wondering, because according to the Bible, Man existed as something before we "fell", and according to Paul, sin entered the world through Adam, and death through sin, so death became a curse on earth; if im not mistaken

anyways i found this site - http://www.biblestudygames.com/biblestudies/gardenofeden.htm - which claims that Satan actually deceived Eve and slept with her, and subsequently became the father of Cain, Satans bloodline. and then the fallen angels later, of genesis 6, interbred aswell with daughters of Men, and had offspring called the Nephilim(fallen ones), which was an attitional attempt at subverting Mans potential, and then preventing the bloodline that would create Jesus. if Jesus exists, then the fact that we need to be redeemed suggests that we had existed possibly in a different state pre-fall, or pre-deception. thats whats soo curious..

is it possible for us to reconcile the two stories? if not, tell me what specifically..and maybe we can work it out.

the problem with the Bible, in my opinion is that the Biblical canon doesnt satisfy everybodys thirst for details..but some of the books not included, the apocyrpha, have a lot to offer, such as Jasher, Jubilee, Enoch, Adam and Eve, and all the others. what was most common and easily verified became the "cannon", some Bibles include different books, and some books have intentionally been suppressed; so its hard to say. its possible that the Catholic church had a role in this, since it will eventually endorse the antichrist, and technically Satan has been the spritual ruler of earth since the beginning

some claim that christianity and judiasm stem from druidism(?) and that its an ancient gaelic religion. i may post this site in another forum, its pretty controversial, and it makes some bold claims, but its interesting none the less..and has very intriguing supporting evidence. its pretty harsh on the Bible, so that might be appealing to some of out there...

anyways, ill serf around and see if anything else catches my eye. interesting details though

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:00 AM

long Post

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but ive taken into consideration a lot of what your saying. for example, is it possible that Michael, the archangel of the Bible, was Enlil? im just curious, since it is him who casts Satan down to earth in Revelations.. on that spritual plane..their was a moral debate among the angels, or Annunaki, about their creation, as they say. is that fair to say? their are many references about angels, who left their domain, who will be resurrected for the judgement day. in Daniel, it says that Gabriel the archangel was resisted by the "prince" or angel of Persia, from delivering the message regarding persia and the end of the age; Michael actually had to come to his aid, but this is an example of competing factions within their realm.

well taking into account that that the biblical stories are but a condensed version of more detailed earlier Sumerian chronicles. the story of Micheal and Gabriel and the other arcangels sounds more like the story of Anu and Alalu , as I'm sure you are aware Anu was EnKi and Enlil's father, before the events on earth , that is before the Annunakki came to earth, the tale of events that happened on Nibiru.

written in the 1rst person in the Sumerian text, Enki himself tells a scribe to write down all that is said. so says the text and the scribe.

Enki tells of the Prior times before the Annunakki came to earth, when they themselves lived on Nibiru which Enki decribes as a great planet reddish in radiance,( in sumer the symbol for Nibiru was the cross and it was called the planet of the crossing) and goes on to tell that it has an elongated circit around the sun. he also states how for a time the planet is engulfed in cold and part of the time its heated by the sun and how it has a thick atomsphere thats fed constantly by volcanic activity, he also goes on to state how all manner of life is sustained by this atomosphere, he tells of its lush vegetation,and the water and land, he does state that after eons of time how their speicies sprouted( from this statement I'm guessing that they did evolve)..then he goes on to say, how rivalies occurred, encroachments happened, clashes occurred and how sticks became weapons, and how clans gathered into tribes, and then two great nations on Nibiru emerged, the nation of the North and the nation of the south and how they went to war with eachother and how weapons of terror and brillance was used, a war of( basically he's giving an account of events that happened on Nibiru)Enki goes on to say that a long war took place and there was death and destruction on both sides,and how for many circuts ,(years) there was desolation and how all life was diminished( sounds like some kind of nuclear war), then he goes on to relate how a truce was declared, then peace making, and how the two nations were united, and how they decided that there should be only one throne and one king to reign over all of Nibiru, they chose the King from the north and the Queen from the south they did this by lots so that it would be vice /versa if it went the other way. by marriage the two sides were united and ruled as one.

I thought it would be interesting to relate some of the history of Nibiru any who... the story goes on telling of customs and how diffrent rulers of Nibiru came to power, and some of their laws and customs concerning marriages, wives, sons and daughter to unify the people were established some of it is complicated which explains how birth right complications arose for example: apparently on Nibiru males were allowed more then one wife but they could only have one offical wife/Spouse the others were concubines, any son born to a wife was the legal heir, but if the offical wife was a half sister that son- 1rt son from that pairing was the legal heir. In Nibiru being of double seed meaning a son or daugher born between half brother an half sister was more important.

apparently at some point a breach in Nibiru'satomsphere happened that started causing it to screw up and it became colder and colder and how the harvest

SONOFMAN

Saturday, June 3, 2006 1:06 AM

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The effective way to deal with Adam and Eve's (so called sin...Not!!) was to make mankind live our entire lives and die without rising above the level of material existence, such an existence would leave little time for seeking out the understanding needed to become spirtually free.

As evidence by the brotherhood of the snake,early in our history some type of genuine knowlege of the spirt was available;however,it got hopelessly twisted, manipulated and boggled down in a mish mesh of symbolism and mysticism that has become impossible to deceipher,if any coherent bits of truth did managed to escape it is now worthless to the majority of humans on this planet. whatever bit of spirtual knowelege that survived also got twisted up with a Supreme being or God/gods,(Religion) leaving mankind to believe that spirtual recovery came from and can only be sought through a supernatural being.

(Now this is my humble opinion on the matter, I say opinion because you know everyone has one doesn't make it right or wrong )
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Its a fabrication that has only helped to keep mankind in a permanant slave state. ( believing that spirtual salvation comes from or through a supreme supernatural being) if one does not know that they are a slave how can they do anything to change it, its an effective tool. or looking to the slave master to free oneself, instead of taking or seeking the measures to free oneself.

I don't believe it was (Adam)mankind that fell, I don't consider seeking knowelege to free oneself from slavery and bondage as a failing, or a fall from grace, I believe it was the Annunakki who fell when they used spirtual repression to inslave other spritual beings.

I also believe that death became a curse for mankind because of our slave state, because we didn't get to eat from the tree of life,( we didn't get the spirtual knowelge to know our true selves) and our physical material existence became our life, we don't see ourselves or identify ourselves as immortal spirtual beings even though we are,
and so this is how we live our lives,killing ourselves, other animals and our enviroment, and toiling for a material existence. We fear death because we don't know anything else except this life, death became a curse.

Also part of the knowelge could also have something to do with a longer life-span.

There is a Sumerian story about a half Annunakki half human man named DurEnKi,(I know the spelling is wrong) who went in search of to get the secret to the long life of the Anunakki,

Annunakki have long life spans compared to us humans, if we are a part of them and from all reports we are then through our genetic make-up we are probably also capable of a much longer life-span but clearly this part of our makeup was not given to us,or rather repressed through genetic manipulation, but through knowlege, some of which we are only now being made aware of we could also aquire the knowelge needed for a longer physical life-span,

Interjecting M.P.O (however I personally don't see that happening until we have spirtual knowlege,I just don't think we will be able to evolve or move foward until we have the ethics and morals needed to advance. One sure sign of our continued slave-state is our dependance on religion.

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anyways i found this site - http://www.biblestudygames.com/biblestudies/gardenofeden.htm - which claims that Satan actually deceived Eve and slept with her, and subsequently became the father of Cain, Satans bloodline. and then the fallen angels later, of genesis 6, interbred aswell with daughters of Men, and had offspring called the Nephilim(fallen ones), which was an attitional attempt at subverting Mans potential, and then preventing the bloodline that would create Jesus. if Jesus exists, then the fact that we need to be redeemed suggests that we had existed possibly in a different state pre-fall, or pre-deception. thats whats soo curious..

is it possible for us to reconcile the two stories? if not, tell me wha

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PIRATEJENNY

Saturday, June 3, 2006 9:26 AM

like I said it matters not to me what someone believes or not believe , because in the end people are going to believe what they want, so I'm perfectly ok with that.

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Now, if i am to believe the testimony of Jesus(God himself, incarnate), then he was the fullfillment of the Law through his descendents. Jesus fullfilled Old Testament, Jewish prophecy...so we have Jesus' testimony that the accounts are sufficiently accurate and verified. Noahs descendents chose to dis-associate themselves with the culture that was bred out of Lumeria and Sumer(or whatever pre-flood empires), and then later the Babylonians and Persians, and every other belief that wasnt centered on the creators life-force. the divergence in beliefs didnt occur due to loose mis-interpretations and in-grained fabricated myths...there was an actual seperation of realitie.

ok I'm not trying to argue with you but I have to ask, where is the seperation of the realities,because its a known fact that in the old testment the stories were taken from early sources namely the summarians, that can't be ingnored no matter how much one might want to, and if that is so, and it is, then it can't be ignored that the jewish hebrew faith is based on that information, nor can it be disputed that in the New testment that the same God that Jesus believed in is the same surmarian Gods,( because Jesus was a Jew, not a christian and practiced the hebrew jewish faith) also if God is an annunakki and Jesus is an incarnante of God, if you believe that, then what is he a reincarnate manifistation of an annunakki????,...

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the idea of monotheism, of one God that was the creator of everything, including the Annunaki and their planet Nubiru, is pretty exclusive to the Abrahamic religions.

you can cross refrerance the Sumer Gods/ Annunakki with other cultures, its been done for example, Enki/sumer= Ptah in Egyptian..and it goes on from the

Marduk/ Sumer= Ra/ Egyptian = Apollo/ Greek and so on and so on

so the God's of sumer are not Exclusive to the Abrahamic religions

can you please clarify this statment for me, you bring up monotheism ,(which is one God), but then you bring up Annunakki which is polytheism( more then one God) but say its monetheism and is exclusiive to Abrahamic religions...which makes no sense to me..... I'm just trying to understand

Polythesim (the belife in more then one God) was the practice of every culture until monethism came, which happened with the advent of Jehovah at about (2000 B.Cto 1500 B.C) and Mohammed and Islam which came around (570 A.D) The koran / Allah and Jehovah is suppose to be the same one God , out of the 5 major religions practiced today, only 3 are monotheisatic ( Judaism,Christanity, and Islam) which still all is alluding to Jehovah- which comes from the sumarians( so we are still talking about annunakki( the source of Jehovah is sumer and the annunakki)

everything else is still polytheism ( Budhhism not based on a god) every other religion is polytheisic in nature.

its a known fact that God the creator in the old-testment is based off of sumerian stories(annunankki/ polytheism) and were condensed to fit monotheism, not the other way around,( that issue isn't up for dispute ,so what supreme being are you referring to because it trully doesn't exist in the old-testament.

are you saying that when monotheism/ one God Jehovah=supreme being came that there was a seperation from that point on=

If that is what you are saying there is no proof of that what-so-ever , from all available evidence provenly so its the opposite. the Gods/ annunakki were all incorporated into the one God to support monotheism, not the other way around.

Also the orginal story of Noah is the Epic of Gilgamish in the sumerian/Mespotamia/ babylonian ,Noah seperating himself from Lumeria is doubtful/ because the real Noah is Gilgamish

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the early cultures or civilizations, way before Judiasm and the isrealites had any prominance, although intelligent, were corrupt, degradive

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