OK So Spike or Angel?
POSTED BY: shinytalent
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 16:51
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I preferred Spike, Angel was a dull character by comparison.
I wanna be Mr. Baccarin!
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Ah, mi amigo, the only real difference we share.
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
So to answer the question (sorry) Angel.
I like Spike!
I can't wait to see Spike and Angel play off eachother!
Chrisisall, out for a walk, bitch.
Hey Chris
Well it had to happen I guess.
Thing is I don't dislike Spike, but he was at his best when paired with Drusilla in Season 2 of Buffy.
Still it's just like me to choose the one character to be annoyed by and have him show up for the longest stint in a Joss show!
You can imagine I was just waiting for his obligatory appearance in SERENITY
The
Sulky One ;)
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Quote:He would have made a good Badger....
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
You can imagine I was just waiting for his obligatory appearance in SERENITY
Spike bugged me at first Chrisisall
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Angel. It's got to be Angel.
Spike is funny. Spike is ridiculous. Spike has no moral compass, even when he has a soul. He's superficial...although very upfront about it.
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When Spike comes back, one of the first things he tries to do is to leave and find Buffy. Whe he is finally corporealized (is that a word...and if so, did I spell is correctly?
) he wants to go get her. Spike doesn't care about anyone but himself (and indirectly Buffy, but only because he wants her. Angel wants Buffy as well...probably more so..and yet he knows that it isn't right for them to be together. Spike is more fun because he's a child. Angel is more adult in his decisions and therefore less likeable. Not that Angel is always right, but just more responsible. Angel knows that he will never atone for his wrongs. Spike doesn't much care.
And on a purely superficial note: Angel may wear lifts, but he's like 5" taller than Spike, who is only a smidge taller than Buffy (SMG is 5'2"?). I like my men to be at least a tad taller than me.
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Look at the end of Fool For Love, a hint of nobility remains...even without a soul.
I think you don't give Spike enough credit...
Nancy-boy Chrisisall
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On the matter of the whole soul-having thing, you've also got to remember that Angel had his soul imposed on him, twice, without a choice in the matter - once by a Gypsy curse, and then by Willow's spell. Spike, on the other hand, CHOSE to go and fight for his soul and regain it through trials and tests. So who's the nobler and more responsible of the two now? :) It's a tougher question than it looks like on first blush...
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
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I like Spike best of all the Angel/Buffy cast, and I wish he could have his own spinoff.
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I'm not a big fan of Angel so much as I think Angelus is a riot. I really liked his brief return in season 4 when he's dealing with the "voice," his trip back into Angel's memory with Faith ("you saved a puppy!"), and his sudden but inevitable betrayal. Then again I'm a fan of big bads who enjoy their work (like the Mayor).
But I like Spike too. He's always been a great antagonist, but developed some real depth during the run of both shows. All right...the near rape thing with Buffy kinda left me with a bad taste in my mouth for the rest of his run on the show, but I really liked him on Angel. The episode where the hell dimension keeps trying to suck him down kinda stuck with me. And of course Spike's banter with Xander, Giles, and Angel is almost always gold.
"Knew it...probably...saw them cops...and...turned...tail..."
"Can't...sentence...properly."
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
On the matter of the whole soul-having thing, you've also got to remember that Angel had his soul imposed on him, twice, without a choice in the matter - once by a Gypsy curse, and then by Willow's spell. Spike, on the other hand, CHOSE to go and fight for his soul and regain it through trials and tests. So who's the nobler and more responsible of the two now? :) It's a tougher question than it looks like on first blush...
Mike
Uh-oh, I think I might be starting off on the wrong foot on this forum.
But to hell with being liked.
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Spike CHOSE to get his soul back so he could get Buffy.
Nothing noble in that, IMO. He didn't do it to atone. He didn't do it because it was the right thing to do or he could. He did it to get the girl.
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Because after trying to RAPE Buffy, he felt guilty and knew the only way he could ever, possibly get near her again was if he had a soul.
Angel's soul was imposed on him...but he did much better with it than Spike. Angel actually owned up to the guilt of his past and knew the only thing he could do, not to clean the slate, but to live with himself, was to play the hero. He knew he couldn't atone, but strived to be good. Spike just shrugged his shoulders about the past and lived his life as if it didn't happen.
So, someone tell me...how weary should I be of posting spoilers? It seems there are quite a few browncoats just starting to watch BtVS or Angel. I would hate to spoil it for them.
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Rugbug: No worries on my part. Don't worry about being liked or not - you bring up good points. And that ain't nothin', as Mal would say.
Yeah, Spike did it to get the girl, but people have done much worse things in the name of love. And you're right - he DID just kind of shrug his shoulders and go on as if the past had never happened, but that's just so... SPIKE! He does that about pretty much everything. It's part of what's so endearing in him as a character - but it's something that's annoying as hell in real life! :)
And you're right about Angel, too - he DID to a much better job with the care and feeding of his soul. He has grand plans, and follows them through; Spike *tries* to plan things, but then gets impatient and just jumps in, to hell with the consequences. Guess it shows that Angel has actually matured in his 240-odd years, where Spike is still an adolescent, at least developmentally.
That's what I love about these conversations; I have my ideas about things, and others bring in their own ideas. And hopefully we all get to think about things from different viewpoints and see things we might not have noticed before.
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
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