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THESOMNAMBULIST

Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:17 PM

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I've always subscribed to the theory that anything that's been thought, said, invented, or accomplished...Was done to meet women.

Could be... Then again I meet women all the time and I've accomplished nuttin'... though maybe these days accomplishing nothing is an accomplishment in itself... you seen how stressed people are these days!?

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

SHADOWFLY

Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:43 PM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
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Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Male
30
Married
Associate Scientist
New York
Religions for idiots
Black

Whew Hew! Its about time! I was wondering where all the Black browncoats were!

Not many of us but we are here.

SHADOWFLY

Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:46 PM

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
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Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Look at all the white people who like Firefly! What is this, a Klan meeting?

LOL!!! I know exactly what you mean.

Female
20
Single
Student/Receptionist
U.S.A.-Michigan
None, thanks
Black

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

Thank you so very much for being here sister!!!
Keep on flying!

CAUSAL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:03 PM

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
[BAs one of the few black people on this forum, I can tell you that sometimes when we are surrounded by a large group of white or mostly white people, it is common for us to make jokes like this one. In most cases, no harm is meant in any way. So relax, it's just black folk's humor. /B]

With all due respect, those are not the kinds of jokes that I find to be even remotely funny. How would you feel were the situation reversed, and someone made a "joke" with the "N-word" in it? The word is such a stick of dynamite that I can't even spell it out for fear of the repercussions! So I would never use it, even in a joke, because I don't want to give the appearance of painting with too broad a brush. But that's what the "klan meeting" joke does. This type of joke is just seriously un-funny, regardless of what the intent was. Sensitivity cuts both ways.

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:35 PM

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Originally posted by sahara:
So, you were going to do it politely?

Well it would hardly have any meaning if I did it impolitely. I mean here someone is coming out and hitting me with a racial and religious slur and I want to hit back, but if I do it in anger or rudely than I'm just as bad, it has to be a rational well thought out polite shooting. Hence the whole thing about waiting until in a better mood. You can't be sure you'll hit the right place if you're all riled up.

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Oh, something I should have said before:

My cousin who I've been round since literally before I was born is black, born in Africa no less, the first friend I ever had was black and I've been around enough black folk since then to know it isn't simply "black folk's humor" it's your humor, and other people's humor, but don't group black people in general with you cause it ain't true if you do that.

Let that be a lesson too: Don't stereotype even your own race because at some point someone will come around who knows that it isn't true.

DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:35 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
As one of the few black people on this forum, I can tell you that sometimes when we are surrounded by a large group of white or mostly white people, it is common for us to make jokes like this one. In most cases, no harm is meant in any way. So relax, it's just black folk's humor.

With all due respect, those are not the kinds of jokes that I find to be even remotely funny. How would you feel were the situation reversed, and someone made a "joke" with the "N-word" in it? The word is such a stick of dynamite that I can't even spell it out for fear of the repercussions! So I would never use it, even in a joke, because I don't want to give the appearance of painting with too broad a brush. But that's what the "klan meeting" joke does. This type of joke is just seriously un-funny, regardless of what the intent was. Sensitivity cuts both ways.

I'm not trying to offend people in any way. My intent here was to offer an explanation of why ShadowFly made this particular statement. Racism is alive and well in the United States (and indeed, much of the world), so when you're a race that's in the minority that is immersed in a group that consists of the majority, it's easy to become nervous, apprehensive, or even afraid. Therefore, you might say or do something to make yourself feel more comfortable, which can often mean making a joke. You may not think of what effect the joke could have on others, or the joke in question may not be that politically sensitive. It's generally not the intent of the person to cause harm, but rather to alleviate tension. I don't know if that was ShadowFly's intent, but it was mine. And speaking as a member of a group that has been persecuted, I'm not looking to crucify anyone else. That would be beyond hypocritical.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:37 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
With all due respect, those are not the kinds of jokes that I find to be even remotely funny. How would you feel were the situation reversed, and someone made a "joke" with the "N-word" in it?

That word only insults a person's race, you'd need one that insulted their character as well if you wanted it to be on equal ground.

DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:41 PM

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Originally posted by christhecynic:
Oh, something I should have said before:

My cousin who I've been round since literally before I was born is black, born in Africa no less, the first friend I ever had was black and I've been around enough black folk since then to know it isn't simply "black folk's humor" it's your humor, and other people's humor, but don't group black people in general with you cause it ain't true if you do that.

Let that be a lesson too: Don't stereotype even your own race because at some point someone will come around who knows that it isn't true.

I should point out here that you're right, one person cannot speak for all. But I will say that many black people in the United States do not consider themselves to be from the same type of culture as blacks that come from Africa. So when I was referring to black people, I meant those from the U.S. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I'm not trying to offend people in any way.

I don't think anyone's holding anything against you.

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Therefore, you might say or do something to make yourself feel more comfortable, which can often mean making a joke. You may not think of what effect the joke could have on others, or the joke in question may not be that politically sensitive. It's generally not the intent of the person to cause harm, but rather to alleviate tension.

All of this I understand but it's still not really an excuse for saying that kind of thing, even as a joke.

I’m in a story telling mood.

There are certain things that you really should think before you say. My dad used to have a job fixing appliances in an apartment building and one day he did it for someone people called a Nazi, the man didn't say a word, he just let my dad in and let him do his job. He didn't show it off, but a serial number on your arm is something hard to hide if you don't wear long sleeves.

My dad couldn't think of anything to say so he just finished up his job and left, but he’s never forgotten the guy who was called Nazi who lived through a concentration camp.

The man is probably dead by now, but if he weren't do you think that explaining to him why he was called that would make him feel any better?

If you do then I don't understand you, and if you don't then think before you try to pull the same thing on us.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:01 PM

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I should point out here that you're right, one person cannot speak for all. But I will say that many black people in the United States do not consider themselves to be from the same type of culture as blacks that come from Africa. So when I was referring to black people, I meant those from the U.S. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

She hasn't been in Africa since she was born, she's an American. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

My first friend, who you have kindly ignored, was a New Yorker. Most, though not all, of the people I have met since then (including the black ones) are Americans.

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