NSA spies on EVERYONE

POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Monday, May 15, 2006 19:19
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SIGNYM

Friday, May 12, 2006 9:56 PM

Fiiver- are you ignoring the statutory requirements of 2005?

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

RUE

Friday, May 12, 2006 10:05 PM

Fivver -

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The 86 law does not change the basic finding in the 79 Supreme Court ruling that you have no expectaion of privacy for the numbers you dial on a phone.

Bullshit.

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no person may install or use a pen register or a trap and trace device without first obtaining a court order

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

GEEZER

Saturday, May 13, 2006 1:52 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Secondly- and this is for another thread- why are corporations allowed to invade your privacy and inhibit your free expression in ways that neither government not individuals are allowed?

Or in other words:
"I'm really more curious as to why the phone companies are collecting and archiving this data in the first place.

BTW, I'll be out of the world for a couple of weeks. Se y'all later.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

CITIZEN

Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:10 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Secondly- and this is for another thread- why are corporations allowed to invade your privacy and inhibit your free expression in ways that neither government not individuals are allowed?

Or in other words:
"I'm really more curious as to why the phone companies are collecting and archiving this data in the first place.

Itamised phone bills. They'd have to keep records for at least a month for that very reason.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

HERO

Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:33 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I found that part in the Constitution:

Turns out its right next to the part that says abortion is ok.

H

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:29 AM

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Secondly- and this is for another thread- why are corporations allowed to invade your privacy and inhibit your free expression in ways that neither government not individuals are allowed?-SignyM
Or in other words: I'm really more curious as to why the phone companies are collecting and archiving this data in the first place.-Geezer

Oh, is THAT what you meant by that question? Hmmm, OK I'll take you at your word and we can discuss the evil of corporations when you get back. heh heh heh

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

RUE

Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:57 AM

OK Zero - your rescuer has gone off. Time for you to tap dance pretty now. Show us you really do have a law degree.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

HERO

Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:11 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Fivver -
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The 86 law does not change the basic finding in the 79 Supreme Court ruling that you have no expectaion of privacy for the numbers you dial on a phone.

Bullshit

Its true. Until the issue is brought before the court under a new law, then the courts will continue to enforce prior rulings. Meanwhile the administration might begin enforcing the new law (or ignoring it) thus creating the conflict anew for the courts to resolve.

Take the gun free school zones. Shot down by the Supreme Court and reenacted in 1998. It has yet to be challenged and so is enforcible or not as the administration chooses.

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REAVERMAN

Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:55 PM

I, too am curious as to why they feel the need to be doing this. I mean, regardless of whether it's right or wrong, doing this is completely redundant. The NSA already has the ability to access any call, e-mail, fff.net post, etc. through Project Echelon.

For those of you who don't know, Project Echelon is the NSA program where they use a bank of supercomputers that monitor ALL electronic transmissions within the US (and some places outside the US too). These computer banks sift through the transmissions searching for key words or phrases such as, "bomb", or "kill the president". If it finds enough that seems worthy of attention, it puts up a red flag and sends it to an NSA analyst who checks it over for content and context to determine if it is an actual threat. The NSA doesn't get in trouble for this because the computer system ensures that there is probable cause that they can then present to a judge within the 72 hour time period, making it completely legal.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:38 PM

An interesting/ funny note to all of this is a utility found in GNU (software) which will add random suspicious words like explosive and terminate to your emails. The concept was that if a lot of people did this the NSA would be overwhelmed with suspicious emails. The utility was written in 1985 by Richard Stallman (father of GNU and grandfather of Linux). And they said he was crazy....

Unfortunately, I can't find an on-line reference to the ultility but once I find that reference book I can post the utility name.

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