IMMIGRATION

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SOUPCATCHER

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 3:53 AM

I wanted to do a quick post on this since I just got back from the San Jose march. By far the majority of signs that I saw referenced HR4437 (eta: Except for the one guy who mistakenly wrote HR3437 on his shirt. I'm sure that was a bad bill, too. But my girlfriend didn't appreciate how funny I found that). That seemed to be the big motivator for many of the people to take to the streets: that their parents would become felons (there were a lot of families in the crowd, many of the children with signs saying, "My parents are not felons," many many strollers - I was joking to my girlfriend that you could do an exhibit on contemporary American stroller design with just the people around you) or that those who provide aid to undocumented immigrants would be penalized.

I'm always interested in the "why now?" question when something like this happens. To me, HR4437 was an attempt to rejuvenate a voter base during an election year (similar to the defense of marriage amendment things from 2004) that woke up a lot of people to the reality that half of their family would immediately become guilty of a felony. Less an example of people marching for their rights (as it has been advertised and as has been referenced in this thread) and more of a case of people marching to protest an increasing criminalization of their family members. At least that's the way it seemed to me by looking around as I was marching.

And now I have to go get some aloe type stuff from the store since the part of me I inherited from my mother forgot that lots of sun + me = pain. I'll post more later on my thoughts on this topic and why I felt it was important to march (the last immigrant - no doubt illegal - in our family came here back in the twenties, so it's not like I have an immediate dog in the hunt).

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RIVER6213

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 3:55 AM

Finally! I am able to drive again! I am now in my main office after not having been here in a month, and there are balloons and a ton of get well cards. There are also workers still here after hours! I guess my workers like the robot after all; I have failed at being the complete bitch. I must put more effort into ramping up my efforts at being completly evil to these people.

Anyway. This whole illegal immigration issue will play out as it should. I doubt that after all of this fuss, the government will just kick them out. I suspect that we will do the right thing and take responsibility. If not, then this country is no place that I wish to be.

If I told all of you what I did for a living, you would never believe it, but thank you for giving me the opportunity to voice and vent my point of views, and thank you for treating me like one of yourselves.

River

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KHYRON

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 3:58 AM

Illegal immigration facts and figures: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456958/html/nn1pag
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RIVER6213

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 4:12 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Illegal immigration facts and figures: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456958/html/nn1pag
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Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

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RIVER6213

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 4:42 AM

Wow! I got the last word! I must be either on top of my game, or in delusionalland like PirateNews.

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PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 5:22 AM

Why do you THINK Jr Bush's PR firm and the Mexican Fox's PR firm picked May 1 for their illegal riots by criminal alien hoodlums? May 1 is Communist May Day, Satanic Beltane, birthday of the Bavarian Illuminati, and LAW DAY...

Now if we can convince the illegals to take the next 364 days off, the problem is solved. Of course, 30% of illegals don't work anyway, because they're on welfare.

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Professor Predicts 'Hispanic Homeland'

By The Associated Press


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ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — A University of New Mexico Chicano Studies professor predicts a new, sovereign Hispanic nation within the century, taking in the Southwest and several northern states of Mexico.

Charles Truxillo suggests the “Republica del Norte,” the Republic of the North, is “an inevitability.”

He envisions it encompassing all of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and southern Colorado, plus the northern tier of Mexican states: Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo León and Tamaulipas.

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Terrorist traitors hoist Mexican flag at a California school
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Along both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border “there is a growing fusion, a reviving of connections,” Truxillo said. “Southwest Chicanos and Norteño Mexicanos are becoming one people again.”

Truxillo, 47, has said the new country should be brought into being “by any means necessary,” but recently said it was unlikely to be formed by civil war. Instead, its creation will be accomplished by the electoral pressure of the future majority Hispanic population in the region, he said.

Other UNM professors were skeptical

Felipe Gonzáles, director of UNM's Southwest Hispanic Research Institute, said there's a “certain homeland undercurrent” among New Mexico Hispanics who believe land was stolen and promises broken. But, he said, a new nation would need much more widespread support.

“Educated elites are going to have to pick up on this idea and run with it and use it as a point of confrontation if it is to succeed,” Gonzáles said.

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"We have an aging white America. They are dying. We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."
-Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas, Arlington, founder of La Raza Unida (The Race United)

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Truxillo contends states have the right to secede under the Articles of Confederation of 1777, in which states retained “sovereignty, freedom and independence.” He contends the Articles were not superseded in that regard by the U.S. Constitution and that although the Civil War settled the question militarily, it was never resolved by courts.

History Professor Daniel Feller disagreed

“The Constitution does supersede the Articles of Confederation,” Feller said. “It takes no notice of the articles and is not presented as bearing any relation to them. The Constitution does not declare, recognize or in any way acknowledge the right to secede.”

And, he noted, the full title was “Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union.”

The U.S. Supreme Court said in 1869 the union was indestructible, political science Professor Joseph Stewart said.

He also said he was “somewhat skeptical in the sense of minority politics” about a possible Republic of the North. He said Americans of Mexican descent have moved all over the United States and that “I don't see that Hispanic population becoming more distinct but in fact becoming less distinct.”

Juan José Peña, Hispanic activist and vice chairman of the Hispanic Roundtable, said there's not enough political consciousness among Mexican Americans to form a separate nation.

“Right now, there's no movement capable of undertaking it,” he said.

Truxillo, who teaches at UNM's Chicano Studies Program on a yearly contract, believes it's his job to help develop a “cadre of intellectuals” to think about how it can become a reality.

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