IMMIGRATION
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UPDATED: Tuesday, May 2, 2006 20:49
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To both IANW and VYSE....about the taxes and medicaid...my grandmothers friend lives in california and she would sit out on her porch at the beginning of the month and watch the mexicans cross the border, pick up their welfare checks from a house that they "live in" and go back across the border...so yeah they may have ways of paying taxes but how many of them actually take the time to do that if there are easier ways to hide from taxes as well as boycott everything except the medicaid we give them as IANW states
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history lesson real quick....the vikings landed in canada first...finding north america....the spanish landed in central america and parts of the southern region of north america....the mayflower came last....so when the mexicans wanna claim that whole native american thing...the spanish came here first and gave the indians of mexico disease first and everything that the british are claimed to have done to the native americans...the spanish were here first doing that...so both countries are at fault and the mexicans cannot even claim such things as well once upon a time the mayflower was illegal immigrants without taking the time to say that the spaniards were illegal immigrants too...if im wrong...please correct me...
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This isn't just about Mexican immigrants, it's about all immigrants. The majority of people throwing stones about illegal immigration have European ancestry, and the fact that they don't acknowledge their own history concerning this matter is hypocritical.
At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.
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Today is May Day. Today is also International Worker's Day. The rallies in the U.S. are primarily focused on the immigrant labor force (legal and illegal); however, there are worker rallies all over the world today. I think there is a really big one in Indonesia protesting proposed changes in labor laws.
The basic gist I get is this (I don't know a lot because I don't follow immigration. It's not one of the 3 issues dear to my heart and I don't really mind them all that much, even when illegal): We have a decent sized population of illegal immigrants primarily from Mexico, Central, and maybe South America. Bush has legislation that I think, essentially grants working visas to those that are here already and then seriously restricts the ability to get here in the future. There is some other legislation in the works to make it a felony to even help illegal immigrants (including medical). I disagree with the last because it's a doctor's duty to help those in need, regardless of political status, but I digress. So I think most of the marches are in support of Bush's legislation, or at least part of it.
But I do think a more effective approach would be to go after the businesses that hire illegal immigrants than the immigrants themselves. However, if we did that I feel we'd find that a number of our wealthy politicians have illegal immigrants for nannies, groundskeepers, and homebuilders. Majority of the houses in Jupiter, FL are built by Guatemalans. Most of the nannies down there are Guatemalan.
The thing is, everyone is bitching about the illegals being here, but if you stop and think about it many aspects of our daily lives have been constructed by these illegal immigrants.
Some are against them because they are "taking jobs away from Americans". I don't know that I buy that. Maybe in a few instances yes, but not too much. Most work incredibly low paying jobs that no one else wants because one must lead a lifestyle right near the poverty line and no one wants that. However the immigrants are evidence that it is possible to survive on very little money (though not easy. Read "Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America" for evidence).
And now that I've gotten completely tangential, I'm going to stop rambling. Ultimately, I sometimes think it's an issue that's been brought to the forefront to distract people from other administration failings, just this one happened to get way more people worked up than gay rights and women's reproductive rights (though all issues arguably fall under the heading "human rights").
P.S. There's a thread about this in RWED
EDIT: Free speech hasn't gotten carried away. If you have an issue you can bring it up. It's just the incredibly vocal fundies label anyone who speaks out about reproductive rights a "baby killing liberal whore" or people who protest the war as "anti-American" and "on the side of the terrorists". It's hard to speak up anymore without getting shot down by our borderline fascist government, but this issue has rallied people on all sides of the spectrum because the left is focused on the rights of the immigrants and the right (business) doesn't want to lose the cheap labor force.
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The 11 million people that have made it here are here, and I cant blame them for wanting to come here, our country is just shiny compared to Mexico. But They are not going anywere. The focus needs to be on how to stop the flow of the next 11 million at the border. I do have to say that there boycott/wildcat strike is going to totally backfire on them and is a bad idea.
"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."
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My opinion on these illegal immigrants: they should all do what my grandparents did: become naturalized citizens (yes, I am Hispanic). Maybe give them a year to do it. Otherwise, ship 'em outta here, and use the Border Patrol and military (National Guard or regular Army) to guard both the southern and northern borders (didn't terrorists infiltrate America crossing the border with Canada?) Also, fine employers who knowingly hire illegals to work for them.
Why would these people think they could come here to America illegally and then expect the same rights and priveleges as legal immigrants and American citizens???
Everyone dies alone.
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Originally posted by ONETOOMANY:Quote:
Originally posted by Vyse:
A good way to fight this problem would be to punish the companies who hire illegal workers in the first place. If there is no work, they will stop coming.
I agree with you about the necessity for going after the companies who hire migrant workers, but there seems to be this belief among some immigrants that people immigrating to a new country don't need to intigrate themselves into the culture by doing things like learning the native language, political & judicial systems, history. In my opinion "OPINION" since the logistics of deporting or arresting the several million people here make it almost impossible. why not register them & give them 9 mos. to a year to legally obtain citizenship. After the initial registration period of oh say 90 days cut off the ability to register for the program & begin arresting & deporting everyone they can get thier hands on. Bottom line If your going to immigrate anywhere do it the right way. It is your responsibility to learn the ways & language of what ever cultre your intigrating to.
P.S. Vyse, I'm not slammin on you, you're quote just gave me a good rant
Notice anythig particular 'bout our luck these past few days, any kind'a pattern'. You depend on luck you end up on the drift no fuel, no prospects, beggin for alliance make work getiin' towed off to the scrap out THAT AIN'T US NOT EVER
Very true. I live in northeastern PA, I'm a full time college student, and a part time cashier/manager at a supermarket. There are some people who shop there regularly who speak NO english at all. I agree that those people need to learn some english. They don't have to be 100% fluent, but know the basic language. I don't expect them to know big words our own President doesn't know.
The government also needs to make the legal immigration process faster. If you are just an everyday person who wants to move to America, it can take up to 10 years before you can take the citizenship tests.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Well said, R.
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Process that whole 12 million illegal and find out who are all the troublemakers and criminals and throw them out, and make the remaining ones citizens and consider the issue closed. We would have paid the price for our laziness.
Chrisisall Unleashed
Yes this explains my feeling perfectly. We let them in this country. We let them work and build a life here. We can't take that away after the fact because we were lazy and didn't secure our borders.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Everyone just remember one small detail.
The colonists on the Mayflower were illegal immigrants too.
At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.
This is true, but you also have to remember, those Mayflower, illegal aliens also brought along a whole bunch of firepower too, along with their lying tongues. The Natives that were already there didn’t know what kind of trouble showed up on their doorstep. The Mayflower illegal aliens also were deeply religious, but they considered the Native population of North America as savages.
A lot of tribes at 1st tried to help out those illegal aliens, but then they paid the price when those illegal aliens went forth to steal their land, and engage in genocidal activities against the Natives, with the help of slaves that they got from Africa, who the illegals also considered savages. They did all of this in the name of God of course.
More illegal aliens poured in. The Africans were beaten up on and forced to do a lot of work under the contempt of the illegal aliens. The Natives were pretty much forced into mass relocation camps, and more illegal aliens poured into the country, while the ruling classes in charge of the country wrote document after documents talking about the freedom of humanity; how all men should be free. They did this while owning slaves and considering the Native population savages.
Several wars later the ruling class decided to free the slaves, but then busied themselves with terrorizing them straight up into the 20 Century, and even to this day regard the black man as inferior, a waste of life not to be trusted, or honored, and not worthy of humanity, though, there are a lot of laws in place that says that the ruling illegal aliens must treat the dark-skinned ones with a measure of respect, there is an underlying, covert hostility. An unspoken thought that if there weren’t any such bill of rights or civil rights, there would be mass genocide, and/or mass deportations. Meanwhile, the Natives are still in their reservations.
Give me you’re your tired, your poor…..
Meanwhile, more aliens show up, some legally and some illegally. The Majority illegal aliens decided that having these new illegal aliens around are good for business….a new slave population that we can use and totally take advantage of, and not have to worry about paying for insurance, heath care, or any of the other fail safes that humans tend to need in a modern society….and we can pay them pennies! What a deal! But then came the day when the illegal alien’s numbers past the 11 million mark, and those aliens hit the street and started to demonstrate. The Majority illegal aliens collectively, momentarily stopped their back-biting, and observed this new political animal demonstrating on the streets in almost every major city in the United States.
Regardless if the original illegal aliens did come here on the Mayflower…Whoever has the guns, and the firepower, are the ones that are going to set policy. This is the nature of human beings as demonstrated time after time in the books of human history. Whoever has the weapons are going to be the ones who says what goes. Do it our way or die.
The European countries technology advanced quicker than everyone else on the planet because it fought itself all the time. The more wars they had (and they had a lot) the quicker their technology advanced. Then they decide to go sailing about the world and they found other races that do have wars, but their wars are on another level, therefore, technological advancements are slower. The Europeans take this as a sign that these people are savages, or weak, and they started to dominate them, because they had guns, cannons, and the ability to exert their wills on other cultures.
I had a point to make in here somewhere, but I’m angry now and it’s hard to type this crap out with one hand.
River
River struggles to find the hand of God in all of this
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You have a great point, but firepower or no, that doesn't make them right. The hundans that run this country have no right to pass judgement on illegal immigrants now when their own ancestors are guilty of the same thing. Especially considering the fact that their ancestors committed genocide on the original occupants of this country, and present day illegals are only trying to make a better life for themselves.
At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.
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