Profits of the Here and Now

POSTED BY: RiveR6213
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 2, 2006 15:51
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AURAPTOR

Monday, May 1, 2006 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:

How was it possible for George Bush to get reelected...how?

Not an American. Just got a correction. It's elected, not re-elected. He was appointed the first time 'round.

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

An actual American here, and got another correction. G.W.Bush was elected and then re-elected. It is in part the problem of those who don't like W who can't get over the first fact, that is Bush WAS elected in 2000. Also, there really wasn't much of a choice, what w/ AlGore and John ( Did you know I served in Vietnam? )Kerry.

Don't know why this post hasn't been moved to Real World Events, but it is a bit pointless, regardless.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RIVER6213

Monday, May 1, 2006 3:01 PM

Isn’t it funny whenever a person questions our vaunted, current leadership, they are treated as though they are unpatriotic? This thread is not pointless. My whole point regarding this thread was that we currently have a seriously corrupt administration, more corrupt than previous ones to the point where they are being blatant about it. I say put them up against the wall, or at least start some impeachment proceedings.

And regarding the location of this thread....I didn’t want to have to deal with Piratenews showing up with 90 pages of photos of abortions, and other shock value, alarmist items.

BTW, I'm an American, which brings me to another point...how is it possible that we Americans can put up with this administration? The Americans of the 40s wouldn’t have put up with anything like this from their President; especially being lied too.

We should be rioting, and protesting our collective heads off, but no! We sit down like little Muppets and proudly proclaim that we are Americans and support an administration of crooks, thieves and liars.

I hate when I stumble across a Bush supporter. It makes me suspect that, that person hasn’t been keeping up on current events, but I could be wrong.

River

Throw the bum out!

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Monday, May 1, 2006 3:59 PM

River

He was elected because (a) the Democrats didn't have a good alternative (b) Bush did a bang up job of scaring the hell out of conservative america after 911 (c) Democrats (and I am one) are too busy in-fighting and trying to look like they aren't too progressive (d) sometimes smart people do stupid things.

KAYLEESTHEGREATEST

Monday, May 1, 2006 4:00 PM

because he was cool back in the days when so many americans weren,t dying dead or wounded

Someday the verse will spit in your soup but at least they gave you soup.
one day
one plan
one mission
one army of browncoats
june 23rd serenity day

-Our mission as browncoats is to make us known.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Monday, May 1, 2006 4:03 PM

Unfortunately, we will never be able to impeach a Republican President when there is a Republican majority. It just won't happen.

If you don't want to continue down this road, Vote, encourage everyone you know to vote and encorage them to encourage others.

Unfortunately, there just weren't enough anti-Bush votes.

I will say that I have a very hard time understanding anyone, other than a White Anglo-Saxon, Protestant male being a republican.

RIVER6213

Monday, May 1, 2006 5:40 PM

Well that's just too bad. We are all going to pay for our lack of vision one day in this country.....you mark my words.

This is going to sound strange, but I'm a combination of Republican and Liberal. I totally believe in making a profit...that's the sort of thing that drives this economy, but also I believe that the beginning of making a profit is people. People come first before making a profit.

A lot of companies rule their workers like they are expendable, like they have no value, and are just a number. A lot of these companies also don't share their workers in on the profits, which in my opinion, makes the worker not want to put is or her all into the company.

In my company I may be a complete bitch, and a robot, but all my workers know that they come 1st, and that they reap what I reap when things are going great. In turn, my workers practically kill themselves making a profit for my company because they know that they are also doing it for themselves. They win, I win, and the people receiving our services win.

In the case of George W. Bush. if this country was a business, he does not put the people here 1st. He's a CEO that's into this business for himself, and his friends....the rest of us are just fodder.

I hate him

River

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, May 1, 2006 8:48 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

An actual American here, and got another correction. G.W.Bush was elected and then re-elected. It is in part the problem of those who don't like W who can't get over the first fact, that is Bush WAS elected in 2000.

Well I'm not an american, but I was watching the news at that time. Regardless of what happened afterward, or what voting results came afterward (including the conflicting results), he was appointed. That's just a fact.

Also, those election results that say that he was elected are contradicted by results that say he wasn't. There was so much crap that happened in that election that we'll never actually know what went on, nor who actually won.

So, go ahead and cherry pick the results that agree with what you want to believe. The rest of use will just agree that he was appointed (at least in the beginning), and we'll never know the actual outcome of those election results due to massive corruption.

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 2:38 PM

http://decider.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Thought you might like this!

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 2:42 PM

What you may not understand is that the question in that election was about the "popular" vote by the people. Presidents are actually elected by the electoral college. The electoral college is SUPPOSED to vote as the people want, but they don't have to.

So, unfortunately, Bush was, in fact, elected. He was not "appointed".

edited to include this link http://www.fairvote.org/op_eds/electoral_college.htm

TLCINVT

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 3:45 PM

I just wanted to join in on this.... since I am an American, and although he won both elections, I didn't vote for Bush either time around.

The first time Bush was elected (or appointed, if you prefer) the votes came out basically a tie. There was major controversy about the validity of some of the votes, and the processes used to count votes in general. The state of Florida was counted several times before it was determined to be a vote for Bush. This unfortunately was the deciding state, and Bush was given the Presidency, though many Americans felt that the count was not done right.

The second time he was in the running, it wasn't as close as the first election, but Bush still came out slightly on top. Both times my state (Vermont) was a vote for the Democratic Party, but our state is only one vote, and not enough to make a big difference.

So that is what happened both elections, without really giving a good explanation as to why Bush won either time. In my opinion, although I believe America is still a great country, is that the system doesn't really work. For one, we don't vote on the best person for the job anymore. In my lifetime, I can't honestly say anyone who made it to the final election was worth voting into office. Instead, we often have to vote for the less of two or more "evils". We have to try and vote for the person who will do the least damage, because there isn't anyone really worth voting for. Also, the system in general needs revising. I can't honestly say how long we have been using the same system, but with the problems with votes in the past, it indicates that they need to make improvements, to ensure the right person is being put into office.

And finally... I am tired of all the people who are not Americans making judgement on the United States as a whole, based on this Presidency. The majority of Americans would send Bush packing if we could, and the polls all show that we don't like anything he has done or is doing. He currently has something like 24% popularity vote, which is really low. Bush is not a representative of what a true American is, and we should not all be judged based on this crazy and incompetant man.

I have been to many countries, and though I am not an expert on government, it seems to me that every one of them has their problems. It is true that America is in a bad place right now, but that doesn't mean we should be put down, or taken out of the count. Even Mal gave Jayne a second chance after trying to sell out River and Simon in Ariel.... A lifetime can't be judged on one or two decisions. Our country also shouldn't be judged on two bad decisions, or on the man in charge as a result of them.

Anyway, just ranting here... hope someone finds it interesting.

You can't take the skies from me....
tlcinvt

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