SerenityDay: Change the Date? VOTE NOW
POSTED BY: Hera
UPDATED: Monday, May 1, 2006 09:38
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Geez, try and bring people together...
I could refute each of your remarks with more of my own quotes and detailed rebuttles and replies ad infinitum blah blah boring board banter, we could go on and on... but it serves no greater good. Do you want to take this over? Is that what you really want? Then cut us all a break and just say so.
Nope. I have no interest in taking this over.
However, I do care about how Firefly/Serenity is promoted. I've worked at a TV Network, The WB, during the heyday of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I saw first hand the attitude that studio executives have toward fan endeavors. I saw the look in their eyes when they read heartfelt, passionate fan letters... letters that to a fan may have made perfect sense and were sincere, but they were a joke to the execs. A well intentioned, but naive fan endeavor, will not improve the image of the Browncoats in the eyes of a major entertainment conglomerate.
I don't want our fandom to be embarrassed.
Fans may not realize how their activities, and how they present their promotions, look to a studio. Since Serenity Day is being organized as more than just fans doing a buying push... it's being set up with big expectations and being aimed right at Universal for its attention... and hoped for respect.
I honestly feel that June 23rd is too soon to be the big "we're gonna show Universal what we can do" day. If all kinds of delcarations of achieving great things are made beforehand, I dread that a lackluster sales performance will turn around and hurt our fandom.
We're talkin' about impressing a major studio here. They're impressed by big, BIG sales figures. Those kinds of sales need time to nurture and grow. So yeah, I'm fighting for September 30th. I also feel strongly that it's the right day to designate as "Serenity Day". That's when the big premiere for the general release of Serenity happened... and right there at Universal Studios. Joss was there, the BDHs were there, the press, and HUNDREDS of cheering, deliriously happy Browncoats! It was an amazing day and night. THAT was Serenity Day.
I'm here fighting for what I believe is the best thing for Firefly/Serenity... and I've been doing this for over 3 and half years. It's not about taking over... it's about doing what's right.
And I do this out of love... fierce love.
11th Hour
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So far I have the impression that 11th Hour doesn't want to lead, she wants to help. I think she wanted to sit this one out, but things are going in a bad direction, and she's trying to help sort it out.
And she does have a point... I haven't had the time for a recount on this thread, but Sept 30th does clearly seem to win, so I wonder how Kaele ended up with her figures.
So please don't give 11th Hour shit because she's trying to be CONSTRUCTIVE and HELP. People yelling "IT'S A RUTTIN' COUP!" is less constructive criticism, Piz. 
So when Kaele interprets the vote results in an omnious way, it's fine by you, but if a veteran corrects her and goes out of her way to look through this thread and makes a list with who voted for what, you step up and attack her?
I'd like to add that I knew none of the people on here before I joined 3 weeks ago, so I have no ties to anyone and know next to nothing about them.
I did not get the impression, however, that 11th Hour is a power hungry maniac who's been deceiving people on here for years, just waiting for her big opportunity to enslave us. If she had wanted the lead, she would have said so back then. And probably have gotten it.
Or is there some dark, terrible secret from her past that I don't know about?
So chiiiiiiiill, Piz. 
Btw, I don't care who leads this thing, as a matter of fact, as long as they're doing a good job.
Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!
BROWNCOATS UNITE!
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Add me to the Sept. 30th list.
Many people are stressing how much better that date is outside of the whole SN/EN issue, and I agree.
But I want to step up and say that I agree with b!X on the June 23rd thing, and I want to explain why, since so many people have expressed a non-understanding of his discontent.
B!X has a crappy bedside manner. He always has. (Diz was spot-on referring to 'tangles' with him.) But... he is an artist. He puts a thematic integrity into his work that transcends the seemingly mundane 'purpose' of his projects, and I respect and admire his ability to do so. Like any artist, he will fight to preserve that which he has crafted. To an extent, it is his 'elitism', his 'egotism' which so many are decrying, that allows him to stick with his vision and create something...more.
I don't begrudge him wishing to maintain that vision. The Serenity Day slogan appears to value that same kind of integrity: "One day." "One mission." "One Browncoat Army." First, how does that jive with two days, seperate missions, and multiple factions of Browncoats? Is that really what Serenity Day wants? Second, with that kind of slogan, and that date, Serenity Day ads are inherently co-opting the SN/EN. It says so right there!
The SN/EN screenings have a different theme, a different purpose, and a different goal than Serenity Day. Not necessarily better, not more important, just different. Different enough that I can't see them co-existing on the same day without taking away from both.
It's like if you had one stage, and three bands playing different music at the same time. What may be beautiful and affecting individually, becomes nothing more than offensive noise together. The solution isn't play louder than the other band, it's wait your turn and coordinate with the other players so that everyone can enjoy the music.
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Ain't. We. Just.
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I agree for the most part, although I'm not into cooky artists (and I meet quite a few in my line of work). I study illustration (well, since I already have been make a living from doing comics and illustrations and such for 4 years now, I kinda haven't been attending university that often, but technically, I'm a student), and there's a group of artsy comic book artists. They frown upon mainstream and commercialism and want to express themselves through their weird ass comics.
So they selfpublished a comic book with their works, and then complained that nobody wanted to read it.
So B!x should ask himself if SN/EN is about charity or his desire to express himself.
Don't get me wrong, I like arts, but artists are a strenuous bunch.
What you just said underlines the picture I have of him, just now I have a possible reason for his behaviour. I now think trying to talk to him is even less useful. But this isn't about him anymore.
Anyways, I nevertheless totally agree that the buying frenzy should be on sept 30th, Serenity Day.
The slogan is useless now, anyways, since people seem to like the Serenity Summer Campaign idea, and so do I, and the "one army" thing would be a joke if we would chose the June date. Things like that would have been negotiale, though, if B!x is not interested in negotiating.
We can avoid this trouble altogether if we go with the sept 30th date, which is better for all manner of reasons which I'm not gonna repeat here again, anyways.
Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!
BROWNCOATS UNITE!
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NoSadSeven, there should be a law requiring you post online more often (and yes, I'm being serious).
I don't believe 11th Hour has any intention of taking over this effort, and as much as I've posted about it (okay, not that much) I wouldn't want to take it over either.
Fan campaigns are massive amounts of effort, and very time consuming. I should know - I've done many with Firefly/Serenity.
That said, there's absolutely no harm in offering advice on these things.
Here's a realistic take on things:
If you want to show Universal the fan base can be powerful enough to make another motion picture viable (which is one of the project goals on the website), you need a vast, vast fan movement. At the moment, there's probably a few hundred people on Fireflyfans aware of the effort. That's about 0.05% of the amount of people aware of the project that you'd need to show Universal an impact...
Fixing that will take a long time, to make everybody aware, and convince people to get involved.
By saying this, do I want to take over said project? Nope. Again with the massive amounts of time and effort it'll require. It's clear from the reactions outside of this site that -- if the basic idea is pitched -- people bork at the idea. With more explaination, people will probably get on board. Actually getting that message out is going to take a long time. Events running through the summer is probably a good way to raise general awareness of the project.
With anything like this, people get protective of both the show/movie and the fandom. If people don't know who you are, they won't trust you. It's as simple as that - I learnt that the hard way repeatedly over 2005.
Regarding September 30th, I've no plans for that date now. Anything I'd do would use another date (as I can guarentee other people will try to use that date later down the line - that'll be a fun day).
--gossi
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Originally posted by 11thHour:
]JUNE 23rd (17 Votes):
Dayve
Damn Diebold voting machine.....
actually, i am in the september 30th camp....(as my post indicated), however after revisiting this thread (until my eyeballs started to bleed)..... i like the 'Summer of Serenity' idea just fine...
but i really did vote for 9/30...... so double check those tallys folks....
Somewhere,
sometime,
when you least expect it...
Smile you're on misbehaving camera....
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The default Serenity Summer Campaign plan has Serenity Day set on Sept 30th, anyways.
Glad you agree.
Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!
BROWNCOATS UNITE!
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We should push every day. the sci-fi cons are a great launch pad but i think that every body should try to get a new brown coat once a week.
If you leave, we all die****Jayne in "Out of Gas"
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(a) is there a central list of all email adresses of all FFF members, and if so can we get it
(b) would anyone object to a mass emailing?
One summer.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.
And a bunch of Rings that make Shiny people do silly things!
Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave!
Nathan doesn't know it yet, but I am his one true love! Is that weird?
(he will believe, he will believe)
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
(a) is there a central list of all email adresses of all FFF members, and if so can we get it
(b) would anyone object to a mass emailing?
It's being organized, but on hold. See the first post in this thread:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=19833
There's a link to the signal corps.
Serenity Summer Campaign for teh win!1!!
BROWNCOATS UNITE!
Serenity Day on September 30th for maximum sexual pleasure!
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