Why terrorists will ultimately fail...
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 00:13
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Quote:Dang, Finn, can you possibly make yourself look any stupider?? Apparently not! In the eyes of a terrorist his (her) goals are always superior and worthy of any means. Apparently it's too subtle for you?
The destruction of Israel and the establishment of a totalitarian theocracy are “good” goals? That would seem to say a lot about where you stand, doesn’t it
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Dang, Finn, can you possibly make yourself look any stupider?? Apparently not! In the eyes of a terrorist his (her) goals are always superior and worthy of any means. Apparently it's too subtle for you?
The destruction of Israel and the establishment of a totalitarian theocracy are “good” goals? That would seem to say a lot about where you stand, doesn’t it
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But that's obvious. Every man sees himself as the hero in his own story, very few people look at themselves and see a heel. The Nazi's thought they were saving Europe from the scurge of world Jewery, they believed that history would vindicate them and that their brave actions would be celebrated by future generations. How warped would you have to be to believe shoveling children into gas chambers is an heroic act? If a human being can buy into that level of delusion then you could justify any horror.
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Quote:That does not change that some goals are not good regardless of what some terrorists think. And your desire is to muddy the water with relativist nonsense so that you can justify calling Bush a terrorist despite the fact that his goals share no similarity to the goals of Al Qaeda. Alternatively, you really believe the delusional nonsense that the goals of terrorists and fascists are morally sound because that’s what terrorists and fascists believe.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Dang, Finn, can you possibly make yourself look any stupider?? Apparently not! In the eyes of a terrorist his (her) goals are always superior and worthy of any means. Apparently it's too subtle for you?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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So Finn- how many people are you willing to kill to bring democracy to the suffering people of Iraq? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? More?
Scratch a terrorist- a person who will kill innocent civilians for political purposes- and you will find either a true believer or a sociopath. Bush is willing to kill civilians for political ends. Finn is willing to kill civilians for political ends. And apparently neither was interested in alternatives.
Some goals are good. Some means are not. Jeez, it's like talking to a brick wall.
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Quote:And how many would you kill?
Originally posted by SignyM:
So Finn- how many people are you willing to kill to bring democracy to the suffering people of Iraq? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? More?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I never said you did say they were exactly the same, did I? I said you are equating them, which you are, aren’t you? You’re claiming that the US federal democratic republic is tantamount to a totalitarian theocracy? You are saying they are equivalent, in the same way that someone might say that rape and murder are equivalent, so therefore you saying that the US is tantamount to totalitarianism. Essentially, your argument is intellectually dishonest. You’re trying to get away with accusing the US of being totalitarian, without taking responsibility for that accusation, because you know you can’t defend that point. And yes, it damages your credibility.
WTF are you talking about?!?! What do you call THIS:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Finn, are you saying a Corporate Aristocracy IS a totalitarian state?
No. Reaverman is. He believes that the US is a “Corporate Aristocracy,” but that (whatever that is) is “as bad as the Theocracy. [Emphasis mine]” Well, the theocracy that we are talking about is a “totalitarian” theocracy. Therefore, if we are to believe what reaverman said and we can assume that he understands the context of the discussion, then he believes that the US’s form of government is tantamount to totalitarianism. It’s plain as day.
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Quote:As I said, it’s plain as day. I'm not going to keep pointing out to you what you said.
Originally posted by reaverman:
WTF are you talking about?!?! What do you call THIS:.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:That's a stupid question which, I note, you refuse to answer. You're the one that's supporting the invasion, not me. But to anserw your question: I would be willing to kill Saddam and his top military people, but they're not civilians.
And how many would you kill?
So, to ask the question AGAIN- How many civilians are you willing to kill to bring democracy to the suffering people of Iraq?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Scratch a terrorist- a person who will kill innocent civilians for political purposes- and you will find either a true believer or a sociopath.
SO FDR, Churchill, Eisenhower, Truman, and the other leaders of the Allies in WWII(not to mention anyone who flew a strategic bomber) were terrorists(as well as sociopaths and "true believers"), because they obviously knew that to meet their political goals (preservation of their political systems) they had to kill innocent civilians? Perhaps you need to re-think your definition of "terrorist".
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