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HAZE

Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Haze:
There is a question I want to ask American board users right now and it relates to my previous post. How is the fact that China will soon supersede America in world power being handled in the American media and in America in general? I have heard it said in the media over here that America is in a state of denial about the situation. Is it considered unpatriotic to admit it?

I'm handling it the same as I did in the '80s when it was a fact that Japan was going to supercede us as a world power, and in the '90s when it was South Korea. Maintaining a skeptical wait and see attitude.

This isn't to say China won't cause trouble, especially in Africa. They will do this by sending the kind of aid most governments there really like, not food and medicine, but guns and money to help them maintain their power.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

This is a completely different situation, economically the only thing that can stop China now is peak old (which will stop everyone else as well). The realisation that a totalitarian power with an appalling human rights record is going to be a if not the world leader is very disquieting. But it is going to happen.

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Who do you suppose is in there?

REAVERMAN

Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:41 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
This isn't to say China won't cause trouble, especially in Africa. They will do this by sending the kind of aid most governments there really like, not food and medicine, but guns and money to help them maintain their power.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

What do you think we do? The U.S. is the world's largtest exporter of weaponry. Most powerful governments say they don't like that kind of "aid", but almost all of them are giving it under the table. How do you think they have stayed powerful and wealthy?

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

REAVERMAN

Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by STDOUBT:

You people here who support the current US administration make me sick. You claim to be patriots but you're COWARDS. Too afraid to take the blinders off and see what's in front of you.
I'm not talking about Conservative/Liberal or Democrat/Republican. Those are just words used to divide The People.
I'm talking about you people who think it's OK to kill women and children for continued access to OIL. You who claim to "defend freedom" when you're really just being USED by corporate interest in a war that wasn't even declared by CONGRESS. You who spit on the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA every time you follow an order. The American Way does not depend on OIL!!!! Fat Cats paydays do!! Wake the fsck up!! Our "lifestyle" is not worth killing for!! And Israel is not worth World War III!!!

You who support the current regime are the sickness that will eventually destroy this nation. You who are too cowardly to accept that our government has been overthrown from within by corporate interest and power-sick greed. You who support 'sneak and peek' law 'cuz it won't happen to you right? You who support 'extraordinary rendition' -I'd cut your throats. You who think
Guantanimo is just what we "have to do now" -fsck you and may you rot in hell.

Some of us aren't that scared. Some of us know we have a better chance of getting hit by a bus than dying in a terrorist strike. Some of us would rather NOT attack a sovreign nation and get to keep our trillions in taxes. Some of us KNOW that going to a foreign land and killing women and children is EVIL NO MATTER F$CKING WHAT. Yes, even if you call it "collateral damage" -fsck you. Another 6 billion this month.. feel safer yet dumbass? Know where that money comes from? China debt -now we're Chinas bitch -thanks fsckwads!
Some of us know that true strength is gentle. Those "power of pride" bumper stickers? That's what scares me. Pride is a deadly sin. And it goeth before a fall. Fscking idiots. At least I hope it's simple stupidity, because if you really know what you're doing, God help us all.

President Bush was born in Connecticut.
His Texas drawl is as fake as his Christianity.
He's a blasphemer and a war criminal and a traitor.
He's blue blood through to the bone.
Say 'Hi' to Usama for me George. While you rape a state where he wasn't even welcome.

"I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial
of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
- Thomas Jefferson
I'm not saying Gore would have been better -fsck you with your Liberal vs. Conservative bullshit.
There's no such thing. There is ONE party in the USA and it's not 'of The People'. Fsck -or maybe it is... I guess we get what we pay for.
200 years -it was a nice run-
What will come next is either revolt,
or decay...
But if it means getting to put a cap in you fake fscking "patriots", i'm all about revolt. I'd kill to preserve the Constitution. But I wouldn't kill to keep gas flowing. You who would, I got a lump of lead^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H prayer with your name on it.

STDoubt, I agree with most of your points, but you're making the same fundamental mistake that Piratenews makes

: You blast everyone with over-the-top rhetoric that turns many people off to your message from the start.

99.9% of the uber-patriots aren't evil, cowardly fools. They are just ignorant of the real goings-on out in the world. How many of them do you think recognized the connection between modern anti-americanism and the U.S.'s ruthless exploitation of third world countries throughout the cold war and into the present? How many do you think know about how the U.S. has propped up dictators like Marcos in the Phillipines, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, the Taliban in Afganistan,the Shah in Iran, the horribly corrupt and opressive South Vietnamese government, and s

GEEZER

Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by reaverman:

What do you think we do? The U.S. is the world's largtest exporter of weaponry. Most powerful governments say they don't like that kind of "aid", but almost all of them are giving it under the table. How do you think they have stayed powerful and wealthy?

True, but we also provide quite a bit of that "humanitarian" aid stuff like food, medicine, infrastructure improvements, etc. China doesn't mess with that stuff, just goes straight for the guns and money. And just because the U.S. has done it doesn't make it any less wrong for the Chinese to do it, eh?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

RUE

Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:56 PM

OK, Slick,

You left out a really important part of the definition for scapegoat - BEARING BLAME FOR OTHERS. You see, if you are the cause of the problem, being blamed isn't being 'scapegoated.' Got it now?

And, to answer your question about grading the test - you fail if all of the answers are yes.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

KHYRON

Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:05 AM

The point in the 'test' says "enemies/scapegoats". Why are you focussing on 'scapegoat'? Couldn't one regard uber-patriots to be one's 'enemy' in a moralistic way?

Besides, the uber-patriots aren't responsible for the administration's actions, just for voting the administration into power and then defending their actions. I think blaming them for the Iraq war technically is making them a scapegoat.

As much as I agreed with the jist of StDoubt's rant, I think Geezer had a good point and I don't see the need to try to discredit it by arguing about definitions.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

GEEZER

Thursday, April 27, 2006 2:09 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
OK, Slick,

You left out a really important part of the definition for scapegoat - BEARING BLAME FOR OTHERS. You see, if you are the cause of the problem, being blamed isn't being 'scapegoated.' Got it now?

Actually, I didn't. It's right there in what I quoted, I think. Let me check the dictionary again. Yep. "1. An individual or group bearing blame for others." You have made it perfectly clear in the past that you consider me one of the people StDoubt scapegoats as "cowards' who "spit on the Constitution" but I have to plead innocent. Your irrational and de-humanizing hatred of me reflects more on your qualification as a fascist than it does on me. So there. Ha.

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And, to answer your question about grading the test - you fail if all of the answers are yes.

OK. Let's first look at the origin of these "14 rules". They come from an article in "Free Enquiry Magazine" titled "Fascism Anyone?" by Dr.(?) Lawrence Britt. Here's a link to the original article.
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=britt_23
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Free Inquiry is apparently the house organ of the Council for Secular Humanism.

Then I went looking for "Dr. Lawrence Britt"...and can't find a thing about him other than he writes for the Council for Secular Humanism and the Rochester City newspaper, and has written a book entitled "July 2004" which is #1,273,771 in the Amazon.com books sales ranking. No evidence anywhere he's a Doctor of anything.

So, first of all, why should I give any credance to this cipher's opinions, and second, why should I accept your unsupported word about the interpretation of his already dubious test?

And again, I do you the courtesy of not assigning you arbitrary nicknames. Please return the favor.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

STDOUBT

Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:28 AM

2 OLDENGLANDDRY

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What you are saying is (sadly) very true.
So what suggestions do you have as to what to do about it?

IMO, the two major parties in this country have been locked down by one group of players. I feel it in my bones that Kerry works for Bush. The Clintons are on their team too. "Vote 3rd party" is all I know to say. A vote for Dems or Repubs is, at this point, the real way to waste your vote.

2 CAUSAL

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So are you saying that every current and former military member that served in Iraq or Afghanistan is just wrong? I mean, I agree with a lot of your points, but as one of those former military members, I just want to be clear about what you're saying here.

Some of the finest men I have known served in Vietnam. I have great admiration and respect for the US Armed Forces. I hate to see them abused by a government that isn't worthy of them. I have had the pleasure of having friends who served in Vietnam and the honor of caring for aging veterans of WWII (as their nurse). These are fine people. Our government owes them much more than they will ever give them. In the current day, I think the generals should have told Bush to go fuck himself unless he could get Congress to sign off on his warmongering. Allowing the executive branch to ride roughshod over the Constitution is in my view, a sure sign of impending doom. I'm no expert in military law but I support any soldier who 'deserts' from this illegal war. He/She would NOT be deserting America nor her interests! But to dispense with pretty words and answer your question straight up, Yes -I think they are wrong. That also means I want them to come home safe.

2 WISHUPONAWASH
You're right on all counts.

2 RUE
Thank you. That Geezer is one spooky hombre.

2 REAVERMAN

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Those people aren't horrible Nazi traitors or some such. They are ordinary working class folks that simply dont pay enough attention to the world at large.

You're right, and I know. I'm just angry and admittedly scared. Ignorance is the enemy. I don't want to see anyone hurt. I'm a nurse for hell's sake. I just get worked up seeing my beloved
country going straight down the shitter while people wave the flag and cheer.

2 Geezer
I don't know if he's a Dr., a Baker or Candlestick maker. I liked his article.
Here's one that will give you an in-depth idea of who he is FWIW:
http://www.rochester-citynews.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A3136
Also, I may be singling out a 'group' of people as 'the problem', but I'm the lunatic fringe aren't I? I don't think my war machine poses any threat to the status quo. I don't think my propaganda is reaching many ears. So rest easy.

For anyone:
Instead of posting my original rant I should have simply posted this link to a really interesting short film from 1946:
http://www.archive.org/details/Despotis1946
I don't know if the guy in it is qualified to say the things he says, I haven't checked his credentials, I haven't made sure he holds a degree.... but I like his words.

peace, hugs and fluffy bunnies everyone

CITIZEN

Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Besides, the uber-patriots aren't responsible for the administration's actions, just for voting the administration into power and then defending their actions. I think blaming them for the Iraq war technically is making them a scapegoat.

In a democracy the government is working for (at least the majority) of people.

Therefore if people voted for and continue too support the actions of their government they share responcibillity for those actions. A democrating government can't do something if the people don't let it.

Unless your saying the American government is not a democracy, there's certainly arguments down that road.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

GEEZER

Thursday, April 27, 2006 1:08 PM

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Originally posted by STDOUBT:
2 Geezer
I don't know if he's a Dr., a Baker or Candlestick maker. I liked his article.
Here's one that will give you an in-depth idea of who he is FWIW:
http://www.rochester-citynews.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A3136
Also, I may be singling out a 'group' of people as 'the problem', but I'm the lunatic fringe aren't I? I don't think my war machine poses any threat to the status quo. I don't think my propaganda is reaching many ears. So rest easy.

Thanks for the link. Looks like Mr. Britt's worldview falls right in with the "Bush is Evil" crowd here. I'm surprised he hasn't been quoted here before, what with stuff such as an essay titled, "Resolved: George W. Bush Is the Worst President in American History".

And while I consider your views (and delivery style) somewhat radical, you're not even close to the real "lunatic fringe" as exemplified around here by PirateNews.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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