Why won't the British media just get over it?
POSTED BY: Khyron
UPDATED: Friday, June 7, 2024 18:43
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Originally posted by SimonWho:
You know, this is a discussion forum. If you believe that there's no link between the generation of Germany 60 years ago and today's Germany, argue the case.
You're joking, right? Anybody that says there's a difference between German society now and 60 years ago has to prove his point? It's you, as somebody that seems to think otherwise, that should be coming up with arguments to prove your point, which, incidentally, you haven't done.
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Make a coherent set of points...
I think I did, but not towards the sort of argument you seem to have been expecting from me. I never had the intention of proving a difference between now and then since to me that's something that doesn't require explicit proof.
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1) The vast majority of Germans had turned against the Nazi ideology by 1945.
2) Post-war Germany deliberately wiped out all traces of Nazism as far as they were able to.
3) There are numerous laws in place to restrict any growth of Nazism, including the banning of Nazi memorabilia, the Swastika in visual media and publication of Nazi documents.
4) Germany has been one of the great democratic influences in Eastern Europe, bringing true power to the people.
5) Germany has also been instrumental in the European Union, ensuring peaceful coexistence among nations.
That was really well said. Even if I felt it necessary to make a list like this, I couldn't have done a better job myself. So, since this was what you were waiting for, where is your objection to any of these points?
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I'm not going to play devil's advocate with you anymore.
Oh, is that what you were doing? Right...
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SimonWho,
Clearly, you missed the ironic humor of me saying what a Mongolic term 'Mongolian' was to refer to stupid people, and then using it myself on the same day.
In any event, I don't need to argue the merits of Germany. I only need to argue the merits of your argument, which stated that anyone who
1) Conducts Monstrous Acts or
2) Stands by while Monstrous Acts are conducted
Is
3) A Monster
And
4) Breeds Monsters.
Leading to the inevitable conclusion that you are
A) descended from a long line of perfect people
Or
B) a Monster
See how that works? Germany doesn't even need to get involved in the analysis of your argument.
Now you also said you'd rather die than allow such a Monstrosity to occur, which is laudable. I hope we all would (But I know we all wouldn't.)
But I'm so glad you were simply playing Devil's Advocate, and don't actually believe anything you said.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Well, maybe I was just arguing the other side, maybe I wasn't, it doesn't really matter. All I'm expecting is a cogent argument which I don't think we've had. All I've seen is "It's a different generation therefore they're totally different" and personal insults.
I don't see how anyone can complain about insults in newspapers when they're calling others on a personal forums a moron or a c***.
And just because someone's not perfect, that doesn't mean they're a monster, which rather destroys your counterargument. Besides, I only raised the question - what sort of child do two monsters raise?
I'd be interested in your answer if you can keep a civil tongue.
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SimonWho,
Since you're not in for the funny today, and since you might *not* be playing devil's advocate, I'll argue this out with you like you want.
Monsters raise all kinds of children.
Your turn.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by SimonWho:
All I'm expecting is a cogent argument which I don't think we've had. All I've seen is "It's a different generation therefore they're totally different"
The main point (you missed it, it seems) was that Germans today aren't Nazis and for the most part find any such insinuations very offensive.
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And just because someone's not perfect, that doesn't mean they're a monster, which rather destroys your counterargument.
I didn't make a proper counterargument because I'm still not sure what your answer is to this:
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Besides, I only raised the question - what sort of child do two monsters raise?
What exactly was your point with that? You seem not want to say what you meant and then when other people apparently interpret it wrong, you say "your counterargument is wrong, try again".
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I'd be interested in your answer if you can keep a civil tongue.
You seem to be focussing on the insults and implying that those were the only "arguments" I had. Well, I said plenty of other stuff that seem to have been ignored, so if insulting you is the only thing that gets your attention maybe I should do it more often.
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No, I'm saying that you can't ask one group of people to be polite "because we should be fair" and then call somebody who disagrees with you "a c***". In fact, I've not seen anyone use that term here, not even to describe Fox executives.
And now you seem to be under the impression that insulting people is the way to get their attention. Which is surely what you were arguing against in the first place.
Either way, I'm going to find a more interesting discussion.
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Aww man.
Now he's leaving.
I'll never know how he was going to respond to, "Monsters have all kinds of children."
This is your fault, Khyron, you Mongolian!
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by SimonWho:
No, I'm saying that you can't ask one group of people to be polite "because we should be fair" and then call somebody who disagrees with you "a c***".
Is that what I did? I don't recall that being the case, I was calling you that because you seem to have been implying that Germans are monsters (feel free to let me know what it is you really meant, I've asked you a couple of times already). I certainly didn't call you that for disagreeing with me, I was calling you that for what you seem to have been saying about Germans.
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And now you seem to be under the impression that insulting people is the way to get their attention. Which is surely what you were arguing against in the first place.
You do have a remarkable talent for taking things out of context. Besides:
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Originally posted by Khyron:
AnthonyT:
That's the logic I thought he was trying to apply but I wanted to give him a chance to think about it and maybe reconsider, since my response to it is far less than charitable.
His logic seems to be: (Germans during WWII were monsters) & (monsters beget monsters) => (Germans these days are monsters).
This is not only flawed for the reason you give, but incredibly narrow-minded and offensive (hell, I'm offended and I'm not even German). But I first want to hear his response to see if that's really what he meant before I call him a c***.
So I was calling you a c*** IF that's what you meant by that comment with monsters. Since you seem to have taken the insult for what it is, it seems you admit that you feel Germans these days are monsters. And in that case, in my opinion the insult is justified. No need to defend myself for it.
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Either way, I'm going to find a more interesting discussion.
Please do, I don't know how get through to somebody who seems to be a bigot, and trying to do so is quite tiring.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
This is your fault, Khyron, you Mongolian!
I'll have you know, calling me Mongolian is an insult to the Mongolian community
.Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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