Official Message Board Is Under Siege

POSTED BY: Haken
UPDATED: Sunday, July 28, 2002 19:41
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PANDORA

Saturday, July 27, 2002 3:43 PM

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Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Unfortunately even if a campaign "saves" a show the results tend to be "unfortunate."

Cross reference: Third Season ST-TOS. Seasons 5-7 of X files.

Jeff Timm
Who has seen them come and seen them go. Missed some, glad to see others misery ended.

Also, let's not forget Roswell and Sliders, both of which ultimately died horrible deaths unworthy of the shows they were when they began.

Bleh.

Pandora

"Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies
and the baby looked at me." -Ralph Wiggum

HAKEN

Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:49 PM

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Originally posted by mojoeca:
Trolling is still alive and well at the official board, as some regulars still feel the need to respond. Wish they'd stop.

At this rate, if the show even remotely suck, the trolls are going to have a field day on that message board.

ZICSOFT

Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Unfortunately even if a campaign "saves" a show the results tend to be "unfortunate."

Cross reference: Third Season ST-TOS. Seasons 5-7 of X files.

I always thought the X-Files was just plain dumb. Maybe if I'd seen it back when I still believed in some of that stuff...

It's true, Season 3 of TOS was awful. Lots of people involved with the series know in advance that it'd be awful, because of the people who'd been put in charge. Gene Roddenberry (who, contrary to mythology was more interested in being a media mogul than a social visionary) had moved on to Higher Things. And Gene L. Coon, who was responsible for a lot of the Star Trek concept and was still basically in charge, was having health problems. I heard David Gerrold describe the third-season producer as a guy who was never in charge for more than a season -- his shows always got canceled.

Still, without the third season, there wouldn't be enough eps for syndicated reruns. So no trekkies watching the same eps over and over, no grass roots pressure for a second series, no movies, no NG... wait a minute, that probably would have been a good thing. Never mind!

TINYTIMM

Sunday, July 28, 2002 5:29 PM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
I always thought the X-Files was just plain dumb. Maybe if I'd seen it back when I still believed in some of that stuff...

For the X-files the following unlikely beliefs must be embraced.

1. That the Government would cover up a reason the quadruple or more the defense budget.

2. That the Government which makes a KGB agent number three man at the FBI could keep a hugh secret for fifty years.

3. That congresscretins would cooperate in keeping secrets and not selling the info or using it to their own advantage for fifty years.

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So no trekkies watching the same eps over and over, no grass roots pressure for a second series, no movies, no NG... wait a minute, that probably would have been a good thing. Never mind!

Oh, come on now. Much good has come out of ST - The Franchise. Out of The Print Media (ST-TPM)there was one good book, "The Final Reflection."

After getting scr*w*d by The Mountain of Garbage John M. Ford stopped writing.

ST-TNG was not in line with my expectations, but I wasn't the guy TMofG bet millions of $US on either. Some of ST-DS9 was adequate. ST-V'ger well any show that has the line "Take this cheese to sickbay!" ... Well, Never Mind!

Jeff
Who saw the first ep first run of ST-TOS. No brag jezt fact.

ZICSOFT

Sunday, July 28, 2002 7:18 PM

Oh dear, Jeff and I see eye-to-eye on a major social issue. That's scary!

Here's my take on the rise and fall of the Post-Kirk Star Trek franchise. TNG started out with a lot of warm-and-fuzzy Trekkie futurism, not very well thought out. But Star Trek still had a certain sentimental value among the "Hard" SF crowd, which is where they bought the scripts for the occasional episode that was actually thought provoking.

Then Roddenbery got sick and gradually handed the franchise over Rick Berman. Even after Roddenberry's death, you still saw a fair number of good stories. But Berman seems to have little interest in serious SF, and no respect for his writers or actors, to say nothing of his audience. The better writers have moved on, disssatisfied with getting too little for their scripts, or even being completely ripped off. Stories of Berman's high-handed treatment of his actors abound, and Enterprise still has its shooting interrupted now and then, as disgruntled actors simply bail on them.

So by the time Voyager was well underway, all the "creative" decision making came from hacks with few story-telling skills and no scientific knowledge at all. I have to confess that it's the scientific thing that finally alienated me for good, more so than the bad writing and acting. When Enterprise trotted out, for the umpteemth time, the notion that not all aliens would have easy access to water, or even know what it is (hello! hydrogen! oxygen! two of the most common elements in the Universer!) I stopped watching in mid episode and never looked back. I even read all the spoilers for Nemesis so I wouldn't be tempted to go see it.

ZICSOFT

Sunday, July 28, 2002 7:41 PM

Forgot to add the following, and I can't seem to edit the post:

Some relevent links:

http://www.kithrup.com/dkm/dkmnonfic/index.html#STINJ

Oops. I was going to provide a link to an anti-Berman rant on Wil Wheaton's web site. Basically how Wheaton had been punished for wanting to do other work while he was on TNG, culminating in Wheaton deciding he didn't want to do star trek any more. Can't find it now -- which may have something to do Wheaton getting a cameo on Nemesis and Wheaton and Berman being officially "cool with each other".

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