Top 5 Things You'd Like To See In BDM2
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Sorry to interject into this thread with questions, but I had a few minor ones about things that lost me in this thread (seen firefly all the way through and serenity several times, but I guess I'm new to the whole browncoat thing).
There was a different person doing the music for the TV series and the movie? That's impressive if there were because the music was fairly similar and was fantastic in both.
What is this Blue Sun that keeps being referred to? The Blue hand guys from the series?
BDM = what? I'm guess big damn movie or something along those lines?
Tia.
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Backstory.
We've had all the important backstories of River, Simon, Kaylee, Wash and Jayne. That's not where the mysteries lie. So...
1. Mal's backstory. What were the influences in his early life that led him to volunteer for the Independents? Which leads to...
2. What was the earth-shaking -- personality-wise -- event(s) that occurred at The Battle of Serenity Valley, that transformed his and Zoe's life so completely?
3. Zoe's backstory. What aspects of her birth culture allows her to be so steadfastly devoted to Mal? (NB: I think she is ronin and Mal is her substitute warlord.)
4. Book's backstory. Told by video diary, found beneath the mattress in his old quarters, strictly as an example.
5. Inara's backstory. Specifically, what drove her to leave Sihnon and go 'walkabout'? What's in her syringe and how does that affect her motivations?
Once we get past the backstory (which is why I'd call the sequel, "Shadow", btw), we can concentrate on the thrilling climax in the third cinematic installment. Doing a movie with a lot of backstory can be done very effectively, while simultaneously following a contemporary plot; "The Godfather: Part II" leaps to mind.
I'd call the final (contracted) movie, "Firefly", to complete the circle, and to emphasize its main hero 'character'...
Wishfully,
zoid
P.S.
6. Gotta see Jayne's mama...
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2. What was the earth-shaking -- personality-wise -- event(s) that occurred at The Battle of Serenity Valley, that transformed his and Zoe's life so completely?
3. Zoe's backstory. What aspects of her birth culture allows her to be so steadfastly devoted to Mal? (NB: I think she is ronin and Mal is her substitute warlord.)
5. Inara's backstory. Specifically, what drove her to leave Sihnon and go 'walkabout'? What's in her syringe and how does that affect her motivations?
If you check out the deleted scenes available on the DVD, plus the Visual Companion (pun!)/Joss interviews, they pretty much answer 2 and 3. Both the Independents and the Alliance left Mal in charge of I think 2000 soldiers in Serenity Valley while they negotiated surrender. By the time someone showed up to rescue them, he was down to a couple hundred. Zoe (career military) was the only person from their platoon to survive.
Also, the syringe...fairly sure that's for emergency suicide.
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If you check out the deleted scenes available on the DVD, plus the Visual Companion (pun!)/Joss interviews, they pretty much answer 2 and 3. Both the Independents and the Alliance left Mal in charge of I think 2000 soldiers in Serenity Valley while they negotiated surrender. By the time someone showed up to rescue them, he was down to a couple hundred. Zoe (career military) was the only person from their platoon to survive.
Also, the syringe...fairly sure that's for emergency suicide.
True, Joss does address my number 2 & 3 things I'd "like to see in BDM2", but only in a very superficial way.
As many have written over the course of my two years here, in many threads, there is indeed a special bond that forms between 'brothers-in-arms'. But as they and I have also written, it seldom results in the 'life-debt' style of connection that Mal and Zoe exhibit. In fact, in the case of extraordinarily traumatic events, participants tend to be driven by a need to get as far from each other as possible, to avoid continuous and unbearable reminders of that horrific episode in their lives.
So, with all due respect: Nope. That story's not been told. The fact that Joss went so far as to remove a scene with just a hint of further information on the subject from the pilot episode, indicates (to me and others) that Joss has more to reveal on that score.
So, I'll leave in my request to have that story told. And there is definitely more going on with Zoe than meets the eye. I wanna see deeper into her character's formative past and motivation.
As far as Inara's syringe goes: I refer you to Joss' commentary on the Firefly DVDs for (again) the pilot episode, in which he says a lot of people thought her syringe was for suicide; but that it wasn't, it was part of her "secret". That's from The Man himself.
I was among those who -- like yourself -- thought, "Reavers. She's not going to be taken alive". But, we were wrong, if you believe Joss Whedon...
Respectfully,
zoid
P.S.
ronin (from Wikipedia):
"A samurai became masterless from the ruin or fall of his master, or after the loss of his master's favor or privilege. ...It is also a term used for samurai who had lost their masters in wars." (Emphasis mine.) And lest we forget, Kurosawa is the visionary most often referred to in the Western genre. His ronin movies have been outright reshot as Westerns, and have reverberated throughout the genre. Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven" ( a personal favorite) is very suggestive of this theme. As a further example of how this applies, The Operative is now, by definition, a ronin. That's why he asks Mal how he continued after Serenity Valley: he recognizes Mal as a fellow ronin. That's a pretty powerful moment, a significant revelation.
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Well, like most people here what I really want to see is the series back on TV, I would espacially like to see the first season finished so that we can close the gap between the series and Serenity in a better way and also to let Joss Whedon be able to finish it the way he always wanted. (and also to get some more Book and Wash into it before they go and die)
But in case that doesnt happen, heres my list.
1). Kaylee and Simons relationship, want to see it grow and just enjoy the fact that they are finally together.
2). More backstory and the secrets behind Inara, watched the commentaries on the Firefly Pilot not long ago and I remember Joss saying that the vial that she picks out isnt a suicide kit but something he wanted to work more in further ahead.
3). Zoe after Wash, would like to see how she handles losing him. Also I remember them talking about making a baby in Heart of Gold so I got kinda upset that they never got that far before he died, so im not totally against Zoe being pregnant (although I find it unlikely).
4). Blue Sun, the most evil buggers around. To bad we dont really know that much about them. Would be nice to get a better look at these guys, also now that the Alliance Government is having Post Miranda issues I think these guys will be the ones primary searching after River.
5). Backstory to Mal, Although we have heard much about it, some more flashbacks would be nice, really would like to see how the endless plains of Shadow looked like before the Alliance reduced them to cinder.
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1. Definitely a better soundtrack. Seeing Edmonson back on board would be awesome, but anything that gets back to the laid back western feel of the series would be an improvement. The soundtrack for the movie was the biggest disappointment for me.
2. Slow it the hell down. I know they wanted to placate the 'short attention span' crowd but I'm so over rollercoasters. The pacing of the movie was just too frantic.
3. Also related to pacing, Joss's dialog and character development deserve time to develop. More with the talky bits.
4. More of a personal focus. I know everyone is convinced a 'movie' has to be grand and glorious, but I don't buy it. Lot's of great movies are made about deeply moving, personal stories - stories that don't involve epic battles with evil. You don't see 'em much in big, damn, sci-fi movies, but bucking tradition is what Firefly was all about. And you DID see those kinds of stories in the series. It's part of what made it so cool.
5. Is it too late to get the real Simon back? Maybe Joss had imagined Simon undergoing some personality changing transformations between the end of the series and the movie, but it seemed more than than, especially given the re-telling of River's escape. The Simon of the series was the awkward rich boy, all genteel and out of his element. The movie gave us Simon Bond - 007.
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Simon did come up with the plan on Aerial. But yeah, i see where your coming from. I guess he kinda would of had little impact in the plot if not for those 00 elements.
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Whats BDM2
Someday the verse will spit in your soup but at least they gave you soup.
one day
one plan
one mission
one army of browncoats
june 23rd serenity day
-Our mission as browncoats is to make us known.
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I want to see more interaction amongst the crew, particularly with Mal/Inara (finally doing something about their feelings and getting together), More Simon/Kaylee togetherness (Awwww!!!).
I don't care what anyone else says, I want Wash and Book coming back even if it is in flashbacks, (Come on people! This is Sci Fi, It could happen. lol)
Explanations on backstory on Inara's and Book's characters & and the Blue Sun/Blue Hands Guys.
I want to see what happens next with River and Zoe's characters and see how they deal with the changes in their lives. River's got to know more secrets, and there must be more triggers in her brain to unlock them...
One Day
One Mission
One Army of Browncoats
On June 23, We Aim To Misbehave!
Can't Stop The Signal...
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