Why won't the British media just get over it?

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KHYRON

Friday, April 21, 2006 7:32 AM

Yep, that's 'Allo 'Allo you're thinking of. One of my favourites, even if it's really silly.

Never saw Spitting Image, but they do have some VHS's on Amazon in case you're interested. But it doesn't seem as though they have an entire series out, just some 'Best of' compilations.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

CITIZEN

Friday, April 21, 2006 8:00 AM

Spitting Image ran for years. At least 10, it was hardly banned the creators decided they'd had enough, as for re-runs they're on on UK Gold, but being a show the satired the weeks current news I doubt theres much call for it, since part of what made each episode funny was knowing the real event behind it.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

CRYBABY

Friday, April 21, 2006 8:13 AM

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Originally posted by piratenews:
It's not bad they don't forget history, it's bad they never learn from it.

Well you could say that about every other country in the world, no country/goverment has ever learnt from its mistakes or the mistakes of others.

People seem to think that the Holocaust was all down to those dastardly Germans up to their tricks but no one wants to admit that it could have been ANY nation that committed such crimes, Germany doesnt have a monopoly on evil bastards.

Its been 60 years since the war and people are still

each other with as much enthusiasm as ever

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FLETCH2

Friday, April 21, 2006 9:12 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
I had a question about Ello Ello but never mind (never heard of it, that's all).

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

It's a joke (a very old one.) Supposedly when discovering a very obvious crime our boys in blue are supposed to say "'Ello, 'ello, 'ello, what's going on here then?"

FLETCH2

Friday, April 21, 2006 9:22 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Spitting Image ran for years. At least 10, it was hardly banned the creators decided they'd had enough, as for re-runs they're on on UK Gold, but being a show the satired the weeks current news I doubt theres much call for it, since part of what made each episode funny was knowing the real event behind it.

The interesting thing was that they spent years trying to interest other countries in the format. I believe the French had a version and they did a pilot for (I believe) NBC that was never shown. They screen a section of it during a special on Spitting Image and the reason it didn't work was that it wasn't funny, apparently back then at least there was only so much you could do satire wise on US telly and in keeping with US Standards and Practices you couldn't make it viscious enough.

SIMONWHO

Friday, April 21, 2006 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Do you really think the English would be okay with it if the French were making fun of them for their crimes during colonialism?

ii) So one of your close friends suffered during the war, that makes the tabloid press making war-related jokes about Germans alright? And this may sound cruel, but yes, 'get over it' is exactly the advice I'd give to her. If she spent most of the 60 years since then thinking about the sufferings during the war, then that's not really living. I know it's not easy to 'get over it', but it's some sound advice. Feel free to pass it along.

iii) I'm sure you made that 'old saying' up .

I disagree that a gap of 60 years utterly absolves Germany of its culpability. But if having a different opinion to you makes me a moron, well...

And my friend has led a full life and continues to do so. But she doesn't pretend to forget what one nation did twice in her living memory.

And neonazis are a drabble in both the US and the UK. In Germany they are a force.

And nations mock other nations. It's a fact. We are the rost bif, with our cups of tea, what-whats and awful teeth. We are able to take the jokes of friends against us - it is only the jokes of our enemies that rankle. So where does that leave Germany's sense of humour failure?

Oh and all tabloid journalism is moronity of the lowest order, obviously.

TAYEATRA

Friday, April 21, 2006 1:31 PM

The British media sees the 1st and 2nd World Wars as prideful events in British History. It was the last time in which the British Empire could be celebrated before the backlash of culpability regarding colonisation.

The media during the war was full of propaganda which was frighteningly effective and began a wave of public support. Careful censorship meant the public heard little against their own government or troops.

The only real war with that kind of censorship since then was the Gulf war and having uncovered the level of propaganda and government control the public rebelled and no longer accepts the absolute authority of leaders (not necessarily a bad thing).

The point I'm trying to make here is that the media invests itself frequently in trying to uncover the darker aspects of leaders which constantly undermines any action taken as a nation. There will never again be a point at which Britain will truly feel collectively proud of its power so the war has been romanticised.

In my opinion that is the reason behind the British media's fascination with the War.

Taya

Dark Angel, Firefly, Buffy, Angel, Enterprise, Farscape... anything else you'd like to cancel?

STORYMARK

Friday, April 21, 2006 4:42 PM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:

I disagree that a gap of 60 years utterly absolves Germany of its culpability. But if having a different opinion to you makes me a moron, well...

Maybe not the country per se in a historical sense, maybe... just a little. But if you think it's appropriate to hold today's citizens, specificly those born decades after the war, responsible - even a little bit - for what was done before their births, then yes, that makes you a moron and a bigot for judging people not for who they are, but for what they are: German. Doesn't matter if they're related to those who perpetrated the crimes, if they had not hand in it themselves, and were not even around to speak out against it, they can't be held responsible.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

KHYRON

Friday, April 21, 2006 6:02 PM

SimonWho:

What Storymark said, plus: I wouldn't call the neo-nazis in Germany a force, but they are I guess a bigger nuisance and a bigger problem than in the UK or US.

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
And nations mock other nations.

And I have absolutely no problem with that, as long as it doesn't go too far, and making Nazi references about Germans, to whom this is a sensitive topic because of various reasons, including the guilt complex that has been hammered into them from an early age, does go too far. Calling somebody a Nazi isn't like calling somebody an asshole or making fun of someone's eating habits; there's a far more serious connotation associated with it.

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Oh and all tabloid journalism is moronity of the lowest order, obviously.

Yeah, but people read that moronity and think it's okay to make those sort of jokes about Germans.

Fletch:

I get it now, just thought there may have been a British comedy series I missed.

Tayeatra:

Some interesting points.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

SIMONWHO

Saturday, April 22, 2006 1:58 AM

But nobody called anybody a Nazi. The Sun just took some nasty intrusive snaps of the German Chancellor and published them. It was the BBC that predicted there would be more headlines about the World Cup with reference to WWII.

I'm not holding today's generation of Germans accountable for WWII but just as Brits are still called 'limeys', centuries after the days of scurvy, Germany will be associated with the Nazis, along with bratvurst, efficency and beer.

But maybe the British tabloids will surprise us all this summer with restrained, informed articles about our partners in Europe.

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