The 12th Planet/Nibiru/ Zacharia Stitchen/ End Time/ The Gods of Eden & the Mayan Calender/Alternative Belifes
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UPDATED: Monday, June 5, 2006 10:46
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I also didn't have a reference, which I usually try to include. I'm simply too busy to be the website librarian. But this problem was solved, in (more or less) that way. Now that you know about it, you can google under your own steam if you really have an interest in pursuing the topic.
But if you're just dogging this to make me look 'wrong' b/c I didn't provide all the details, then you're an ass.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Originally posted by rue:
Now that you know about it, you can google under your own steam if you really have an interest in pursuing the topic.
I was kind of hoping you'd post your reference, since I don't feel like sorting through all the crap one sometimes gets when looking for scientific proofs, but if you're too busy to do it I guess I have to look for it myself.
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Originally posted by rue:
But if you're just dogging this to make me look 'wrong' b/c I didn't provide all the details, then you're an ass.
I really wasn't trying to make you look wrong, I was trying to have a discussion and point out that the argument you gave can't be the main argument in the actual proof and that you must have been missing a key point. I'm sure that what you gave is the proper ansatz to the actual proof, but the missing details are what makes it work. I was wondering what those missing details might be... but as I said, I'll look for them myself.
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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Actually, no. I've been looking for a bit and couldn't find any mention of a solution for the general n-body, or even 3-body, problem unless one considers cases with severe restrictions. While I have no doubt that you did see some proof of this sort, there's no guarantee that it's given in an easily findable place on the internet or that it's even a valid proof.
So I don't see why I have to do your work for you, especially if it might turn out to be a wild goose chase. You made the claim, so you should back it up. And don't be offended if people are sceptical if you don't.
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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OK I skimmed through this whole board sorry I am always pressed for time. All this stuff I wrote is mostley along the subject of alternative beliefs.
This has along the lines of things I have read, Ashtar Command...indigos, starseeds...Somehow I have heard the mayan calender in those beliefs as well. And I belive Nibiru as well. End times of course, in many things.
I did see that thing about planet X though which was mentioned somewhere elese but in a diffrent way. Astar command I think. It was only briefly mentioned. Since we're talking about these sorts of beliefs, I have some beliefs of my own that I was kind of born with and when I graduated from high school they blew up in my face.
It was then that I saw signs and things that I can't explain and I was paranoid and just the weirdest crap came to me I can't even go on and on about it. like...I would listen to music and I would hear things like they were pertaining to things that only I knew. As far as around here anyway. Where I am from I don't have many people who think deeply or alot. Possibly resulting in a loss from my intellegence and real crazy trips. HA!For real though.
Still I was afraid of everything for a while but something told me when you see a red light go through it and I would see the same number everywhere...Trigger words things like...lights flickering when you pass them on the highway. It gets real wierd when you start to remeber your childhood and how all this and that correlates toghther. flying...I kid you not. When I was younger I wouldv'e been excited about all this but in reality it really is frigtening as hell and lonely as hell when you get used to it. Hey anyway finally it started to level out I guess...I guess I am what you would call and indigo a starseed...Still I meet the critera to the T but when they white light it out I sit in my dirty alley with a dingy flashlight. Sorry. I don't want to patronize myself with all this crap...
Still I know I am supposed to do something and I have been told this alot. This sounds explanition does sound alot plausible compared to most of the stuff that's out there. I found after a while that diffrent religions and new age beiliefs tie into each other quite a bit.
Hey by the way planet X is an alternative planet on a diffrent dimensional plane where souls can go to learn lessons or do there work if they choose to get out of Earth. But I heard the place is worse than here. Hey I really read this. I will not say it is true or even the same planet X. Personally. I think anything is possible. How can you look at how crazy things are and not imagine anything is possible? Not trying to offend anyone who does not share this view. Religion is really whacked out becasue alot of it tries to control people. And it's just insane how we are all waging war on each other in the name of it. Well that and money. And really it isn't we it's them...How many people in the world, muslums, africans chinese, christians buddists Celtics, whatever, just want to live normal lives...
Some people's beliefs of good and evil are insane. Hey don't listen to that music or the devil will get you...Anyway hell was a physical place where they burned dead bodies way back when...supposbally. There is a God though I'm sure of it...that and everything you could ever and never think of. And jesus was a prophet and now he has become a symbol... I don't know. Go to Barnes and noble and get the next book of the bible and they will tell you all about Hey sus'. He had it right about alot. The oppisite of love is not hate it's indiffrence...
If anyone would ever get freaked out by things whether it be the state of the world, thier relationship, the devil or geting killed, It's easier to go through life and you realize that people do not die and cease to exist, or go to hell. Personally in my life now I find Earth to be quite limited and boring...for now at least. And lonely.
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i know this thread has been dorment for awhile..but when i saw it i just had to respond. Has anywhere here even read the Bible? in its entirety?
and im directing this mostly to the thread starter...since he brings up Sitchin and his annunnaki stories. please understand, the reason the sumerians stories pre-date the bibles IS NOT because the bible stole, watered down and misinterpreted the ancient beliefs.
the bible is simply told from a different vantage point, in that it is God, the energy force beyond space and time, the creator of the universe, and his contacts with the early patriarchs. when we
"fell" from our original intent, we became susceptable to false truths and diceptive "knowledge"..which was given to us by the rebellious beings created before man: the annunnaki. ever wonder why, despite the acclaimed "break-throughs" in science, and all this supposed knowledge that humans have now, and yet...the most basic, fundemental issues of our race, greed, bigotry, murder, diception, war...have been with us since the beginning??? what progress are all you scientists really flaunting out there?? and i doubt that the annunnaki, who came to enslave us...have the spiritual answeres we;re looking for. maybe if the world wasnt so anti-christian, maybe we;d be farther along
the annunaki that you are refferring to, can without a doubt be reconciled with the fallen angles of Genesis 6. they were Gods original creations, who rebelled, along with Lucifer, against God and subsequently intervened in Mans progress on earth. which is the purpose of Jesus, and the coming revelations of mankinds redemption from its fall. its quite obvious to be honost...if you read the referces in the bible to the heavenly hosts, who left their domain, to forsake God and ultimately corrupt humanity from reaching its pre=fall potential. there is noo doubt they are one and the same
what is more likely?? that the God of creation caused the flood to wipe out humanity, due to corruption, degeneration, and all the other immoral actions taken place during that time(thanks to the knowledge from the annunaki). or that the flood was cause.. as Sitchin claims...on the part of the annunnaki due to excessive human noisiness?? of course their are similarities between the bible and the sumerian cuniform...the sumerians worshipped idols, and created things(gods..with a small G), wheres Abraham and the isrealis (tried) to worship the creator God...who we would have no contact, or relationship with-without an intervention on his part(the patriarchs..Jesus??)
i especially love when people say that religion is the cause for all the worlds ills. if we are merely evolved species, why do we have a conscience at all?? i consider the 10 commandments to be essentially our basic conscience...not coincidentally, and its hard to image early man making peace without an idealogy that is flawless from the beginning. but to be clear..no holy person, would be envolved in a holy war..its contradictory. so the wars were not started under benevolent circumstances. and secondly...islam, catholicism, judiasm..those are religions, but christianity is not. it is a state of mind that requires almost NO inherent structural traditions; which is why many christians are accused of being hypocrites, because a true christian follows the way of Jesus..but someone can easily cliam to be christian in word, but be an evil person in deed. when you accept the word of Jesus, you change from the inside out...Bush can claim hes a christian, but his actions dont verify his position. if there were no religion, what standards would man have to conform his behavior too?? i know you athiests would rather not have restrictions in your lives..no consequences for immorality or other sins..but your conscience might disagree, and when you die youll be expected to account for your actions, so be aware
but where would we be without Moses 10 commandments, and the fullfillment of the LAW through Jesus? this was the reason God, the creator, chose Abraham do be his covenant
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Yes the world was a much better place under christian control...
...If you like torture, witch hunts, burnings, crusades, inquisitions...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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i love the circular logic here. have you read the bible?? Jesus would never condone murder! so how can you claim that true-at-heart christians were behind those kind of events?. now ill grant you..are religious politics envolved in these sometime--yes...but as history has proven time and again, the masses are easy to manipulate when you tug at the root of their spiritual, cultural or social beliefs. does that make their beliefs wrong? no--but it leaves them vulnerable
actually, when you actually look into occult-elite literature(Marx, Machiavelli, Malthus, Darwin)..the idealogues of todays globalists, they admit this is a tactic of theirs. and historically the super rich have looked down upon christians, because we're seen(as Jesus is)as passive, submissive, suffering servants. the humiliation and degredation suffered by Jesus on the cross was a common tool of the elite, to make a public show of force, directed as a warning to potential disobedient peasants. i mean this is a long standing conspiracy
and just as you have been led astray by idealogies that are uproven, secularist, and anti-christian in nature, the same has happened with christians, muslims and jews. that doesnt make us responsible per se..it does make us ignorant and certainly complicit. but a true believer, who has accepted Jesus and the holy spirit, would never cause such atrocities. what restrictions would an athiest or agnostic have??
answer me this: do you believe George Bushs'imperial world view is one of a born again christian?? can you honostly say he's the equivelant of Jesus as our president?? far from it..so what is your point? atleast recognize that his words are hollow, and that his actions tell a different story.
i dont accept what is propogated by the establishment on blind faith, that is how people get sucked into this falso 2 Dimensional "left vs. right" paradigm; understand that the 2 parties represent the same interests, they put on a public show, but ultimately are negotiating against themselves...we are just led to believe that they are representing us. thats the illusion of democracy..but thats a whole nother story.
but for the record, Bush, his family, and his benefactors, are occultists(look into the NWO, illuminati, the bilderberg group, skull and bones and the bohemian grove), which, philisophically..are directly opposed to christianity. if Jesus says that money is the root of many evils, and that it is almost impossible for a rich man to get into heaven, then it stands to reason that the collective agenda of those with similar mentalities would eventually materialize into a scenario of Godlessness and corruption
the sad reality is that the generosity of christians has been taken advantage of, and diverted, or perverted..to fullfill this agenda. that can be blamed on individual ignorance, and the lack of initiave to investigate outside of the media and its corporate brainwashing..but regardless, we have left ourselves vulnerable to tyrants and diception.
it is plainly said in the Bible that this is to be the course of History until the return of the messiah. the earth IS under the control of negetive, evil forces, and it will lead to a peak, which will be the mark of the beast, and the reign of the anti-christ. and then it will be obvious that Jesus wasnt our enemy, because the most fascist, oppressive, degradive and monstrous entity to ever exist will be opposed to God and Jesus! how can you reconcile the belief that the bible was created to suppress people, when it is the greatest single enemy against those forces? there is no logic in that
now we're obviously off of my original contention that the annunnaki are the biblical fallen angels, which came to decieve mankind. let me leave you with something the apostle paul says
"for although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God, nor gave thanks to him, but thier thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immor
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I love the idiocy of this. Darwin an Occult-elite? True Christians didn't do it!! Got your number 118, but I'm up for a laugh.
It doesn't matter if true Christians did it or not, as a matter of course Theocracies all end up the same way. You hate secularism, why? Because you seem to want to force your beliefs on to others, you want to tell other people who they should live their lives, FORCE them to live in a way YOU approve of. Funny how you go on and on about the Bible and miss so completely the kind of major live and let live message.
But you're right, righteous, people who think differently; people who live differently to the way you've decided they should think and act are evil devil spawn. You are the true man of faith, not like these lowly pretenders, who are by this very fact less than lower than you.
In fact if these people are lower than you and evil they are scum, aren't they, not real people at all. We can do whatever we want to them.
You see 'true' men of faith are often the progenitors of such actions, and yes you're right they aren't true Christians, though I'd hazard a guess that true men of faith are who you see as true Christians.
As for GW Bush, sounds like the words/acts of many a fundamentalist.
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Quote:This must be the circular logic you were talking about earlier, using the Bible to prove the Bible.
it is plainly said in the Bible that this is to be the course of History until the return of the messiah. the earth IS under the control of negetive, evil forces, and it will lead to a peak, which will be the mark of the beast, and the reign of the anti-christ. and then it will be obvious that Jesus wasnt our enemy, because the most fascist, oppressive, degradive and monstrous entity to ever exist will be opposed to God and Jesus! how can you reconcile the belief that the bible was created to suppress people, when it is the greatest single enemy against those forces? there is no logic in that
And please don't use the word logic in refrence to Christianity. There is nothing logical about Christianity or any other religion, they're based on Faith, not logic, that's the bloody point.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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