Browncoats that think the West is on track with world politics.
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, December 5, 2025 21:32
VIEWED: 9713
PAGE 5 of 7
Are Bush and Blair doing their best (at world politics)?
Best at what? Gaining the cooperation of allies? Supporting international justice? Creating a solid majority around the world that by sheer numbers and satisfaction would reduce extremists to a small, isolated, unpopular minority? Hardly.
Is torture at Gitmo just an understandable, if unfortunate, feature of war?
Why restrict yourself to Gitmo? What about Bagram, abu Ghraib, and exported torture? But to address Gitmo - yes, there is torture there as determined by both the Red Cross and the UN. Is it understandable? If the idea is to get information, then no, torture is not understandable, as information gained by it is unreliable. Is it unfortunate? It's worse. It's counterproductive, creating more enemies than it eliminates.
a) Are terrorists being hunted down as best they can be
No. A lot of resources and freedoms are lost 'hunting down' Quakers and other ordinary Americans. Meanwhile real terrorists have been running free for years. The ICC could have had bin Laden if the US had agreed with Afghanistan to have him turned over to that court.
b)and is the protest over how the war (in Iraq?) is going in America just a fad whipped up by the left?
What protest? That it's increasingly unpopular is due to the fact the administration made too many statements that didn't come true. Mission accomplished. Hard-line Saddam loyalists will give up and crawl away once he's caught. It's all in Fallujah, we just need to clean up the town. Once they have elections all will be well. Things are getting better and better every day in every way.
a) Is the world economy just fine
In the long-term, it will not be able to go along with business as usual.
b) with the temporary deficits to be expected in war time?
You can't spend your way out of a deficit UNLESS you are investing in infrastructure. The US was running a surplus when Bush took office, EVEN WITH THAT 'HORRIBLE WASTEFUL' SOCIAL SPENDING. That quickly turned around, stunningly quickly, with the deficit due in equal part to tax breaks for the rich, and the war. The bill will come due.
Is death and destruction a natural part of on-going Human History, and nothing to be so shocked over?
Well, death is inevitable for every one of us. War is not. Whole civilizations have gone on for hundreds of years and never fought or made a war. We know that b/c they had no war gods, no heroic monuments, no armaments, no armies - in short, no material evidence of any war capability or history. So war is not inevitable, and we condemn ourselves to fear and misery if we tell ourselves it is.
Is 'The Alliance' of Firefly just a tool for drama, and something our world could never really sink to?
It already has here and there. It doesn't have to be that way, though.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Calbeck,
Dude, if you can't get 4,000 people to cough up $5 each in the internet era, there is something wrong with your message. Look at the guy who managed to trade a red paperclip for a house in ten moves.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
Or the British Uni student who made a million selling pixels on his website:
http://milliondollarhomepage.com/
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Some Conservatives, maybe. But not everyone on the Right of an argument is Ann Coulter and Dreamtrove. Although there are definitely those on the Left that do fit your description.
Oh I agree. But people seem to be making lots of sweeping statements lately, and I felt left out.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's all the fault of bi-peds. Stinkin' homosapien trash.
Shoulda stayed in the trees where they belong.
*Appologies to those who believe in Intelligent Design for the evolutionary-like slur above*
*Appologies to those who hold with Evolutionary Theory for the appology above*
*Appologies to bi-peds who didn't vote for Bush or Blair*
Sorry Chrisisall
I find your backpeddeling insulting you commie.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Are Bush and Blair doing their best?
Doing their best to do what? Take over the world? Sure, I think so. Using the military to control the planet is an explicitly stated goal of the PNAC. Read their manifesto:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Heck, don't even read it all, just read the introductory pages i-v. Everything the neocons have done is to further their goals. What they say is irrelevant. In this context, many of your subsequent questions become meaningless, because they imply a certain amount of honesty and sense of morality on their part.
(BTW, according to the manifesto, they want to create a US Starfleet to conquer the galaxy
)Quote:
Are terrorists being hunted down as best they can be, and is the protest over how the war is going in America just a fad whipped up by the left?
Terrorists are the neocons' greatest ally.
There is no protest.
Quote:
Is the world economy just fine, with the tempory deficits to be expected in war time?
Cheney: "Deficits don't matter."
http://www.issues2000.org/2004/Dick_Cheney_Budget_+_Economy.htm
Quote:
Is death and destruction a natural part of on-going Human History, and nothing to be so shocked over?
War is good for business.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
You missed Canada : smile:
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Dammit.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Dude, I am willing to try and see other perspectives, and I disagree with you about as much as I agree, but this one statement here is what people like Hitler love; the carpet can't be snatched out from under you unless you believe it to be nailed down.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Is 'The Alliance' of Firefly just a tool for drama, and something our world could never really sink to? It makes for great drama. No such Gov't form could ever rule the planet. Or planets
ALWAYS keep a look out, anything is possible.
Vigilant Chrisisall
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Words from Joss Whedons mouth regarding the Alliance:
"Mal’s politics are very reactionary and “Big government is bad” and “Don’t interfere with my life.” And sometimes he’s wrong—because sometimes the Alliance is America, this beautiful shining light of democracy. But sometimes the Alliance is America in Vietnam: we have a lot of petty politics, we are way out of our league and we have no right to control these people. And yet! Sometimes the Alliance is America in Nazi Germany. And Mal can’t see that, because he was a Vietnamese."
As it is with AURaptor. Sometimes America is the USA in Vietnam, but he can't see it because all he can see is America in Nazi Germany.
To him even suggesting 'America in Vietnam' is grossly anti-American and makes you a terrorist supporter.
But on the subject of Nazi Germany, I thought a totalitarian dictatorship (which the Alliance isn't by any stretch of the imagination) couldn't ever gain power?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Chrisisall
I have read the replies to what you asked but one thing I must ask. Have you been in the military ? If you had then you would know the answers to what you asked. I went to Iraq and other places around the world and know first hand the evil that terrorism causes. You sleep safe at night, live in an country where you can speak your mind without fear of being jailed but yet you fail to understand the world.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME