Browncoats that think the West is on track with world politics.
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, December 5, 2025 21:32
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Are Bush and Blair doing their best?
I think Bush is doing not only his best, but he is doing what is best for the country and the world. Blair is an ocean away, so my opinion is tempered by distance. I think Blair is generally "spot on" with his positions supporting the US and Isreal, but not always. For example, he needs a harder line against Iran.
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Is torture at Gitmo just an understandable, if unfortunate, feature of war?
There is no torture at Gitmo. Just a few air conditioned cells, good food, prayer rugs, and every now and then some fellows in nice suits stopping by for a chat.
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Are terrorists being hunted down as best they can be, and is the protest over how the war is going in America just a fad whipped up by the left?
These are two very different questions. Terrorists are being hunted down the best they can be under the current law and political circumstances.
The protest against the war is not a fad whipped up by the left. Its very real, but has never been about the war. The anti-war movement predated 9/11 and began life as the anti-Bush movement that resulted from the fallout from the 2000 election. This movement joined forces with a number of other movements like the anti-world trade movement, CBS Evening News, the enviromentalists, PETA, Iraqi intellegence, the anarchists, MoveOn.org, and the Democratic National Committee...etc and so on. Their goal is to undermine Bush, the war is just the tool they are using.
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Is the world economy just fine, with the tempory deficits to be expected in war time?
The US economy is fine. Growth good, unemployment down. There is much more that could be done. Interest rates need to fall a bit, wages need to rise, we need reform in key sectors like health care. But compared to the failed antiquated systems in Europe, the semi-socialist slavery of China, or the corruption of Russia, we are doing great. The world economy is suffering, but mostly from local ignorance.
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Is death and destruction a natural part of on-going Human History, and nothing to be so shocked over?
Yes, more issues have been settled by death and destruction then any other method. I suggest you consult the City fathers of Carthage or the King of France for further notes on the subject (Heinlein could teach you a bit too). But yes, you should be shocked and appalled by it. War, death, violence are terrible things. Yet here we are, still flyin as a race.
America is the key you know. We invented the world's most destructive weapon, used it to end decisively history's most destructive conflict. Ever since then our mission has been to make war as rare as possible and to limit war's death and destruction as much as possible. Now when we bomb a building, the City, often the surrounding neighborhood, is sparred destruction. Battles are fought with hundreds or thousands, not tens or hundreds of thousands. Countries fall with the death of thousands, not millions. And no conquering nation has ever spent so much of its own wealth rebuilding its former enemies and hoping to turn them into friends and allies...in fact, up until the last hald century...a conquered nation was looted of the spoils of war.
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Is 'The Alliance' of Firefly just a tool for drama, and something our world could never really sink to?
You watch too much TV. Everybody knows that Kevin Costner will rule the world to come by delivering mail on his little boat to a world covered in water and populated by swimming buffalo and he'll do it because he truly loves baseball.
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*Just curious as to the thinking involved in accepting Bush, or any world leader, at their word, and backing their actions, no matter how ill-concieved they may seem, without much question.
The problem comes from the premise. Their actions are not ill-concieved and they have been very successful.
Perhaps we could add to
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Quote:Some Conservatives, maybe. But not everyone on the Right of an argument is Ann Coulter and Dreamtrove. Although there are definitely those on the Left that do fit your description.
Originally posted by citizen:
Well, if the conservatives are too be believed. Add 'em all together and that's the opinion you get.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Also he’ll actively enforce income redistribution with the help of various merry men.
Originally posted by Hero:
You watch too much TV. Everybody knows that Kevin Costner will rule the world to come by delivering mail on his little boat to a world covered in water and populated by swimming buffalo and he'll do it because he truly loves baseball.
Wow! Its 1000 on a Teusday and I'm not even dressed. I feel like Jeanine garofalo.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I don't see that their actions have been that sucessfull. Bin-Laden is alive. The Saudis remain our friends, even though they funded and/or facilitated (probably) 911.
Originally posted by Hero:
The problem comes from the premise. Their actions are not ill-concieved and they have been very successful.
Perhaps we could add to you narrow questions, is the Democratic Party actively seeking failure in the war on terror in order to further its own political agenda? What about France, same question? Should the US use military force against Iran before or after they use nuclear weapons against Isreal or the United States? There are many questions beyond your limited imagination.
Yes, the Democrats are probably eager to see the war on terror fail so they can use it, they are as miserably corrupt as Neo-Cons.
The Iranians won't use Nuclear weapons on us or Israel; we would literally vaporize them, and they know it.
That said...
I thank you, sir, for a genuinely illuminating post; I see that our differences lie mainly in perception, I see some of yours as faulty, and vica versa. I will continue to re-examine my belief system to make corrections as necessary, with assistance from other views such as yours. I feel that both our imaginations can be limited at times.
*But I still see Bush as an unintellegent, directionless lackey of the Military Industrial Complex (subject to change w/out notice).
Momentarily ad-hominem-less Chrisisall (unless 'lackey' qualifies)
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Quote:You are never serious, Finn
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Also he’ll actively enforce income redistribution with the help of various merry men.
.The always-serious, never in jest Chrisisall
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Quote:The Iranians would never use nuclear weapons against us. But if some Muhammad al-anyfruitcakeymuslim happened to come upon a nuclear device, by accident,
Originally posted by chrisisall:
The Iranians won't use Nuclear weapons on us or Israel; we would literally vaporize them, and they know it.
and then accidentally went off in Tel Aviv, who could blame the Iranians? One of the major criticisms that came out of the 9/ll commission is that the lack of a more active hard-line position against Afghanistan was one of possible root causes for 9/ll. I don’t know what to do about Iran either, personally, but when I see people making statements that downplay or ignore the Iranian threat based on nothing more then the assumption of what the US might do in response, I see us making the same mistakes in thinking that may have led, in part, to 9/ll.
Quote:Is this better?
Originally posted by chrisisall:
You are never serious, Finn
Damnit, now its 1030 and I'm still not dressed. I think my XO might be pissed.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Again, thanks for that view, it is perfectly valid, and one I was not taking into account in my desire to be right. I need to make another correction.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The Iranians would never use nuclear weapons against us. But if some Muhammad al-anyfruitcakeymuslim happened to come upon a nuclear device, by accident,
Chrisisall, feeling a distinct lack of snark today
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Are Bush and Blair doing their best? - Clearly, more could be done. But more also could be done in reporting the success which have been achieved
Is torture at Gitmo just an understandable, if unfortunate, feature of war? - That's a bogus question, as the premise if bogus. There is no torture in Gitmo, only fabricatd accounts of it by a radical Left wing media. In fact, most of those serving time down there have never had it so good. I know this view rubs against what EVERYBODY has been told, but its true.
Are terrorists being hunted down as best they can be, and is the protest over how the war is going in America just a fad whipped up by the left? 0 Well, you already asked the 1st part of the question. And as for the protest against the war, much of it IS organized and whipped up by anti American/anti Capitalist groups.
Is the world economy just fine, with the tempory deficits to be expected in war time? -
Most of the US defecit isn't a result of the war, but of massive hand outs and entitlement spending. Shame on W for that. But the US economy is doing quite well.
Is death and destruction a natural part of on-going Human History, and nothing to be so shocked over? - Sadly, yes. But also, no. Yes, it's part of the human condition, and no, we should be shocked. But in regards to the war in Iraq, US led forces have done FAR more to keep innocents out of harms way than any other time in history.
Is 'The Alliance' of Firefly just a tool for drama, and something our world could never really sink to? It makes for great drama. No such Gov't form could ever rule the planet. Or planets
*Just curious as to the thinking involved in accepting Bush, or any world leader, at their word, and backing their actions, no matter how ill-concieved they may seem, without much question.
Bush is only a here for a short time. His 2 terms will be up and then he'll be out of office. Should be interesting to see what happens next. Like it was after Clinton.
Chrisisall
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Calbeck,
Dude, if you can't get 4,000 people to cough up $5 each in the internet era, there is something wrong with your message. Look at the guy who managed to trade a red paperclip for a house in ten moves.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Zero
Quote:The problem with Zero is that I can never tell if he's being funny on purpose or if he's just making a fool of himself by accident. It leaves me in a quandary. I don't know if I should laugh with him, or at him.Quote:
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Is torture at Gitmo just an understandable, if unfortunate, feature of war?
There is no torture at Gitmo. Just a few air conditioned cells, good food, prayer rugs, and every now and then some fellows in nice suits stopping by for a chat.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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