Weapons in Serenity
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Jayne's Pistol is a LeMat 9 shot plus under-barrel Shotgun revolver with what appears to be a RIS rail and Red dot sight.
The weapon he carried in Serenity was what appeared to be a modified H&K MP10, which is the MP5 scaled up to the Ten Milimetre Auto cartridge ((Much better than the 40 Short&Weak in my opinion.)) It would be interesting to see an episode, bridging further season 1 and the film, in which He loses Vera and his Pistol ((Did anyone notice its being replaced with some fancy autopistol like Simon had in War Stories?)) and then another episode in a Season 2 in which he gets them back.
I think a prop of Vera was fired in the spacesuit in Our Mrs. Reynolds, but maybe not the hero weapon.
The current M16s are no better in reality than the old ones. I've fired the A3, and never have I had so many jams in two trigger pulls. Whereas the AK-47 ((Or most any Kalashnikov)) you could bury for ten years, dig it up, insert a magazine, pull back the charging lever, and bam! you're in the fight.
The 1911 is one of the greates handguns ever, far better than the M9. Something about stopping power, I think!?
If anyone gets nosy...Shoot em.
Shoot em sir?
Politely.
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I know I'm going to regret this....
The M-16 A1,A2, and A3 all have similar reliablity performance. All of them have the same modifications to the original M-16, I can't recall the list right now.
The priamry is the powder. The first M-16's were actually very reliable, with respect to fouling the gas chamber. They were however prone to misfires due to insufficient powerder in the cartridge. That is because they the cardtridges were using a "stick" powder. This means it is harder to measure out evenly. When the army switched to a "ball" powder, the problem of underpowered cartridges went away, but aother problem came up. The ball granuales didn't burn cleanly, thus leaving gunk in the gas chamber.
So long as you keep firing, you should be okay, the gunk stays warm and gooy. Each round fires should blow the chamber clean, but if you stop firing, the chamber will cool, and the gunk will harden like epoxy. They you in there with a dental pick.
This can be even worse depending on the characteristics of the powder you are using. If it is really "dirty" powder the weapon is more prone to jam. Also is there any hardened residue that hasn't been cleaned out?
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The problem is that the "gunk" builds up so fast its hard even to get three rounds down the barrel. Can't beat the Kalashnikov for reliability, I say. The 5.56mm NATO is also not all that effective in killing. Sure, it yaws, but your target will take half-a-mag and go down shooting at you whereas the 7.62 NATO drops him in one shot. And the SOCOM 16 is just as controllable as the M16 with the bigger bullet, so why doesn't the military adopt that?
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The 5.56 was adopted precisely because it isn't a particularly effective killing round. The theory was that it costs opposing forces more to retrieve and care for seriously wounded than to bury or abandon dead . The Soviets lacked such romantic notions, and went for a standard assault rifle that could be operated and maintained by any illiterate dirt farmer anywhere in the world, as well as fed with existing WWII-era ammo production facilities. The chrome-plated bores of the AK series are things of beauty, the actions have more slop than a pigsty, but that's why they can function in freezing cold or packed full of mud. Da, put hole in thing real good.
Gimme a M-14 any day. And some decent cover.
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I always thought it was 'cause we realized the brits had it right after all and needed to scale down because they were "Uncontrollable." Idiots up on Capitol hill decided on the glorified .22 and there we were. Course I could be wrong, a thing which has happened before.
Hell, give me a Sig Blaser .338 Lapua mag like Jayne had in the Pilot, a decent ghillie suit, and about a half mile between me and my target and I'm fine.
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No, that was part of it, too. The Brits were looking to decrease the overall mass of their next generation of assault rifles, and we were too. A piece as light as an M-16 spittin' .30-06 or even .303 rounds on full auto WOULD be pretty ugly. But the whole "wound don't kill" economic-attrition model was a big part of the decision as well. For a while in the '60s, the Army was training grunts to ignore the sights completely and to instinctly point-shoot with the .223 sprayguns. Daisy BB gun company was contracted to make BB guns without sights for use in the training program - I kid you not, some of those kids on their way to Vietnam were trained with BB guns.
Sandinista, I don't know if you caught the posts, but the first half (Player's Handbook) of the BIG SKY airsoft LARP rules are available for download at:
www.savefle.com/files/9805348
these rules would work fine with paintball as well. Let me know if you like 'em, and I'll finish the Event Organizer's Guide. I'm looking for an excuse to finish the rules set, you see....
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I clicked the link, and I got a "Cannot Find Server" bit. I prefer airsoft, more realistic, and definately easier on the pocket book.
On the whole "Wound don't Kill" thing; I prefer my enemies taking a dirtnap and having no ability whatsoever to fire back than their government having to pay medical bills. In battle, it is best to focus on the short-term, without losing sight of the long term. If we want medical bills, why not just make a gas which renders them unable to fight, and then make a cure which we can sell at absurd prices to our enemies, thereby depleting the economies of said enemies.
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Shoot em sir?
Politely.
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I'm with you, I wanna see 'em go down and stay down. It's the McNamaras and Rumsfelds of the world that come up with genius stuff like the 5.56mm fmj round as standard issue.
Try the larp link again tomorrow.
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K. What would you think Vera would chamber? She's supposed to be able to take two different calibres, but I wonder what they'd be.
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Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:
Jayne's Pistol is a LeMat 9 shot plus under-barrel Shotgun revolver with what appears to be a RIS rail and Red dot sight.
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I think a prop of Vera was fired in the spacesuit in Our Mrs. Reynolds, but maybe not the hero weapon.
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If anyone gets nosy...Shoot em.
Shoot em sir?
Politely.
I might stand to be corrected here, but when Jayne fires through the spacesuit in Our Mrs. Reynolds we only see a close-up of the end of the barrel - it really could be any rifle inside that helmet.
Vera definitely does *not* get fired in War Stories - Jayne carries it, but only fires his handgun.
So I lean towards the theory that Vera was not a working prop in Firefly. But as to why it was not used in Serenity....I dunno. Maybe they thought it looked hokey up on the big screen, with all those obviously tacked-on bits.
Cheers,
Johnboy
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