The 12th Planet/Nibiru/ Zacharia Stitchen/ End Time/ The Gods of Eden & the Mayan Calender/Alternative Belifes

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
How do you know it doesn't exist, I'm just curious, you say it doesn't exist, it has never existed and it will never exist. The ancient summarians say it does exist. How do you know this.

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As I already said, it would have been visible for at least one half of the Earth's revolution around the sun. No one has spotted it yet. Also, the orbit is just too eliptical. it would be like swinging a brick with a rubber band. The brick's inertia is pulling on the rubber band (the sun's gravity). If you stretch the rubber band far enough, the brick's inertia becomes too much, and the rubber band snaps. Danfan brought up the Oort Cloud's distance from the sun being much greater than Planet X's supposedly is. That is simply because of the masses of the Oort cloud objects. You can swing a pebble on a rubber band a hell of a lot farther than a brick. Lower mass means less inertia for gravity to overcome.

And as for the Ancient Sumerians, they said a lot of things existed that obviously dont. Their gods, for one. I think you just cant face the fact that thousands of years of belief could be wasted.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Originally posted by reaverman:

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
How do you know it doesn't exist, I'm just curious, you say it doesn't exist, it has never existed and it will never exist. The ancient summarians say it does exist. How do you know this.

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As I already said, it would have been visible for at least one half of the Earth's revolution around the sun. No one has spotted it yet. Also, the orbit is just too eliptical. it would be like swinging a brick with a rubber band. The brick's inertia is pulling on the rubber band (the sun's gravity). If you stretch the rubber band far enough, the brick's inertia becomes too much, and the rubber band snaps. Danfan brought up the Oort Cloud's distance from the sun being much greater than Planet X's supposedly is. That is simply because of the masses of the Oort cloud objects. You can swing a pebble on a rubber band a hell of a lot farther than a brick. Lower mass means less inertia for gravity to overcome.

And as for the Ancient Sumerians, they said a lot of things existed that obviously dont. Their gods, for one. I think you just cant face the fact that thousands of years of belief could be wasted.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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your calculations aren't correct, talk to a scientist or an astronmer, you maynot agree, but thats not the same as saying something is impossible!! as I can tell your not familar with Zecharia stitchen's work. I would also recommend that you read his 1rst book " t\The 12 Planet " his books are very academic, which might surprise you. before you are so bold as to say something is impossible, I would think you would want to have all of your facts straight and all the information available on the subject.

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Originally posted by PirateJenny:
Oh geeze, actually you can refute something all you want, but if you are refuting something you have no knowelege of, then that in my opinion does not make a logical argument.
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Zecharia has about 8 or 9 books out on the subject I've read all of them except for his latest, all I can tell you is that the sumarians based on ancient text were aware of D.N.A, if your interested read the books and you'll find out how.

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What particular ancient Sumerian texts prove this, exactly? Did Zecharia Stichen expose them to the reader or just say "trust me I'm an academic". Did he let you see the whole passage or just choice parts taken out of context?

You haven't quite grasped this concept of intelligent debate, have you? Dissent is part of it, saying "you don't know enough blah blah blah" isn't. State your (or Stichen's, whatever) case, come on enlighten us. If all you can do is say "go read the divine knowledge of Stichen, most high" then sorry not interested. Show me something, give me a reason to be interested in a book with wild claims.

You show me some of the evidence that proves the existence of Planet X, or that Sumerians had knowledge of DNA and I might be interested in reading more, I see no reason to do it because I should have faith in Stichen.

Show me something.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

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go back an read my post, you are the one out of your own words stated "How did the summarians know about D.N.A, actually I never stated that anywhere in my posting you did...but yes via the Anunnakki the summarians were aware of D.N.A , there are about 8-9 book out by Zecharia Stichen of which I've read all but one and not anytime recently, so my advice to you if you want to know about summarians and D.N.A read the books, you might want to jump ahead and read "The Cosmic code", but if you haven't read his 1rst book "The 12th Planet" your not going to have much background so read that one 1rst if your so inclined.

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You show me some of the evidence that proves the existence of Planet X, or that Sumerians had knowledge of DNA and I might be interested in reading more, I see no reason to do it because I should have faith in Stichen.

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Who ever said you should have Faith in Stitchen I know I certainly never did

And when did this all become about you, Please tell me how and why, I'm not going to show you anything, because I don't have too, and more importantly I have no desire to. I'm not trying to prove anything to you or anyone, my posting this thread was never about that, you sound like you have a problem all I can say is don't make it mine, I was wanting to discuss this with those who were familar with his work, and hopefully at least were open to his work wether they agree with it or not. I happen to agree with Mr. Stitchen and think highly of his work, no amount of debating that with you or anyone is going to change that, if you don't thats on you, but I really resent you coming at me telling me to show you something, if you are intrested you can go to any book store an purchase one of his books or go to the library and check one out, its that simple, I'm not trying to make up someones mind or form an opinion for someone about his works not for you or anyone else, you'll have to do that all on your own. If your intrested knock yourself out, if your not, it matters to me not.

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You haven't quite grasped this concept of intelligent debate,

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You are the one who said that desent is part of it, and I agree with that but since you are the one who seems keen on debating this, then you should arm yourself with the information not leave it to me. Debate till your hearts content I have no problem with that, but you can't have an intelligent debate with someone who lacks the information on which they are debating, so what I'm saying to you is if thats what you want to do come back when you have the information, because I'm not going to provide it for you!



If I wanted to, and I don't!! I could weed through one of his books and weed something out, but in what context, without the background it would really be a waste of your time and mine.
And not everything is about a debate, nor does it have to be, and since your at a disadvantage because you haven't read any of his books it would be hard to debate with you anyway, especially when you want me to do all the work, and provide you with all the material , thats just not my style.

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Originally posted by reaverman:
Also, the orbit is just too eliptical. it would be like swinging a brick with a rubber band. The brick's inertia is pulling on the rubber band (the sun's gravity). If you stretch the rubber band far enough, the brick's inertia becomes too much, and the rubber band snaps. Danfan brought up the Oort Cloud's distance from the sun being much greater than Planet X's supposedly is. That is simply because of the masses of the Oort cloud objects. You can swing a pebble on a rubber band a hell of a lot farther than a brick. Lower mass means less inertia for gravity to overcome.

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Reaverman...

I still take issue with this. I interpret what you are saying to mean that you believe that any object of sufficient mass will break an eccentric enough orbit just because of its mass, with no other external influence needed. This violates the mathematics of orbital mechanics. Further, I think that your use of the "brick/rubber band" analogy leads to a false conclusion. Gravity does not behave like a rubber band. Gravity is a distortion in space time caused by mass. A far more appropriate analogy would be to consider gravity like an incline in space time resulting from the mass causing a "low spot" in space-time. Rubber is a material with an elastic modulus and a concommitant point of elastic failure. It is this point of elastic failure that causes the brick to break free from a rubber band. "Elastic modulus/failure" does not behave the same way as an "incline." The latter analogy is the more appropriate one.

So, it is my understanding that the existence of the Oort Cloud is not conditional upon the objects in it having low mass/inertia. It exists because the MOMENTUM of each object in it is precisely balanced against the (admittedly weak) gravitational pull of the Sun at that distance.

In a simple two-body system, the math says that no matter what the mass of the objects involved or the eccentricity of the orbit, if the centrifugal force caused by the object's velocity/mass along the orbital path perfectly balances the centripetal force of the gravitational pull upon it, then the orbit is stable.

Of course, I realize that our universe isn't a simple two body system. Other massive objects (like neighboring stars) may approach closely enough such that their gravitational influence overpowers the gravitational influence of the Sun to break the object out of its orbit around the Sun. THAT is the reason that objects in the Oort Cloud break from stable orbits around the Sun and leave our stellar neighborhood. It has nothing to do with the mass/inertia of the orbiting object simply spontaneously overpowering the Sun's gravitational force to negate a previously stable orbit. It is the gravitational influence of our neighboring stars that limit the effectiveness of the Sun's gravitational influence to the 1 light year (approx) limit that you mentioned.

And even so, that 1 light year effectiveness of the Sun's gravitational influence is over a 100 times farther out than aphelion for Planet X. If a neighboring star passed closely enough to affect Planet X significantly, it would be wreaking havoc in the inner Solar System as well. At the scale of interstellar distances, 0.007 light years is as close as our hip pocket. Any interstellar interference happening that close is happening to us too.

I think that all that applies here is Newtonian kinematics. Quantum effects fully cancel out at this size scale. Relativistic effects are negligible at these speeds. So, the math and the physics of gravity convinces me that the problem with Planet X isn't that it won't come back from aphelion... but that it WILL come back from aphelion. And destroy our home on its (multiple) downswing(s). If I'm mistaken about the inapplicability of quantum and/or relativistic effects rendering stable Newtonian orbits unstable, then I'd like some information as to how that occurs (it's an honest request... not sarcasm, I promise you).

Thanks for the book re

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Except Danfan all you have done is describe an orbit using Keplers laws. You have not actually calculated if this is a sable orbit by including Newtons laws of gravitation. What you did was describe an elipse and then say "well the far end is not outside the oort cloud so that's ok...." That isn't enough.

Oort cloud objects are bits of matter effectively just hanging in space, out there the suns gravity is too weak to pull them in so they sit. If one is disturbed in such a way that it moves towards the sun and falls towards it that object usually ends up in the sun or out of the solar system. Objects like periodic comets are relatively rare.

To tell if this planet could orbit you need to know it's mass, the mass of the sun and have a far better orbit plotted than the one you have. I looked at the equations but didnt want to plot the numbers, if you want to prove it one way or another you will have to do that.

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Since you've been pretty unwarrantedly confrontational and insulting to me I might as well return the favour.

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Originally posted by PirateJenny:
How did the summarians know about D.N.A, actually I never stated that anywhere in my posting you did

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ALSO Originally posted by PirateJenny:
for example the snake in the bible is Lucifer or the tempter, but really in summarian text Enki's symbol was the snake, and also the symbol for D.N.A which was known in those times,

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Off too a bad start there, I understand that when you’re just free associating, typing whatever nonsense comes into your head you may forget what you've actually written.

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but yes via the Anunnakki the summarians were aware of D.N.A , there are about 8-9 book out by Zecharia Stichen of which I've read all but one and not anytime recently, so my advice to you if you want to know about summarians and D.N.A read the books, you might want to jump ahead and read "The Cosmic code", but if you haven't read his 1rst book "The 12th Planet" your not going to have much background so read that one 1rst if your so inclined.

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These are a lot of words to say: "I don't know".

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Who ever said you should have Faith in Stitchen I know I certainly never did

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You sound like most of those with blind faith:
"Just read the scriptures and your eyes will be opened". Not that you realise this, the faithful never do.

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And when did this all become about you, Please tell me how and why

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Oh, good try no dice but nice try there. You told me "go read the books" I say "give me a reason why I should" and that's making it all about me huh?

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I'm not going to show you anything, because I don't have too, and more importantly I have no desire to.

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And you have nothing to show...

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I'm not trying to prove anything to you or anyone, my posting this thread was never about that, you sound like you have a problem all I can say is don't make it mine, I was wanting to discuss this with those who were familar with his work, and hopefully at least were open to his work wether they agree with it or not.

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anyway if anyone wants to discuss the coming of Nibiru / the Mayan calendar or anything related, I'm interested

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I'm trying to discuss anything related, as you asked, your the one who's got the problem with that, I can only assume that's because I'm not licking your and Stichen's arse and proclaiming how wonderful and right you both are. All I did is ask a question, one you've refused to answer and then began to spit the dummy and throw your toys out of the pram.

So here's what that suggests to me:
You can't adequately answer the question, and sub-consciously you know that. Cognitive Dissonance sets in between your inability to answer questions and your desire to believe Stitchen is correct, your desire to believe in a creator, without a religion getting involved. This causes frustration and anger, which you choose to vent at those who don't reaffirm your beliefs.

Your desire to believe in a creator, but your obvious vehemence against religion suggests you were possibly brought up in a very religious, possibly devout environment, and this is some kind of rebellion.

Point is I was truly prepared for an intelligent discussion, and I was prepared to listen to what you had to say, you truly WERE NOT prepared for any discussion whatsoever (Hint: I'm sorry but only letting those who agree with you speak isn't a discussion), and your truly not prepared to listen to what anyone has to say, unless you agree with what that is, of course. Wow, are you in training to be a dictator or something, my my you must really hate that pesky freedom of speech thing. I happen to like freedom of speech, especially since it obviously upsets the tin-foil hat crazies like you.

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I happen to agree with Mr. Stitchen and think highly of his work, no amount of debating that with you or anyone is going to change that, if you do

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