No more Firefly/Serenity

POSTED BY: Ellis
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ZOID

Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:14 PM

FollowMal:

My point was strictly that even a bad writer -- *zoid doffs cap with moth-eaten feather stuck in it* -- can see plenty of room for continuation of the Firefly 'verse, without resorting to Wash clones, the Op joining the crew to replace Book, et cetera.

The next movie should be better, simply because there will be fewer characters to split the focus on. Joss even promised in his BDM commentary to "make it up to Morena" for so little screentime in the first movie. I think he's already got the second movie fleshed out in his mind.

I include the video diary flashbacks of Book simply because his past is so important to what he becomes, so important to what he becomes to Mal. Leaving his story untold is the greatest crime of the BDM. We all need that 'A-ha!', don't we?

To reiterate: The crucial realization should be that there is a lot of story to be told, so long as you break away from fixating on what has gone before. River's story has been told; although as a more-or-less fully functional crew member she's not entirely out of the action; she's just not the focus any longer. In order for Firefly to be over, the focus must eventually come to Mal (and Inara?), in a way in which it never truly did in "Serenity". The character of Malcolm Reynolds must be resolved for this obsession to be 'over'.

Like Nathan, I expect Mal's defining moment will result in his self-sacrificial death.

...or not.

Left the way it is, Serenity and Firefly were a story about River. We all know it's about Malcolm. He's the main character, and I defy contradiction on that point. So, it's not finished until the main character's story is over.

QED.

Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
I may not be a writer, but I am an educated reader. I know the basic tenets of fiction and storytelling. And I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

WICCA303

Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:57 PM

hi Zoid,

loved the chapter/paragraph above, is there more of this story somewhere? If there is can you post a link for me, please.

Would love to read more.

(Know this is off topic but oh well)

I love my Captain

"You hold till i get back."

EVILDINOSAUR

Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:04 PM

I agree, I think it should be done. The only way it should continue is as a tv show, ignoring what happened in the movie, and picking right up where the series left off.

The more I watch this stuff, the more I just feel Firefly is a tv show, and tv is where it should stay. It's not about the big picture and epic battles, it's about a small group of people, and how they deal with life.

and yea, I can't see it having the same magic without book and wash, the formula for the crew was perfect, but that's my opinion.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

SIGMANUNKI

Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

I know it's a gamble SigmaNunki, I'm not reading an absolute into this... but I am reading the same hope that Universal obviously had and that is if we sign them, if the sales are good, if the time is right.. we'll make another and perhaps even another. They have to be thinking that if their good business sense told them to sign them.

So therefore I don't think we're out of line to hope for the same thing. If we make the sales good and the time becomes right and since Universal has them all signed... we can look for another and perhaps another.

Not false hope, SigmaNunki, educated hope.

I'm a Browncoat and a businesswoman. I have to look at it that way. It's logical.

I just mentioned that because I see way too many people make the conjecture that because they signed on for 3, that we'll get 3. This wasn't really directed at you, but that particular comment (which you just happened to make here).

As for more movies though, I think we'd have to see a gigantic leap in sales (millions) to have a good chance to get more. Unfortunately, I really don't see that happening.

Perhaps in 5 years (even if), but I don't think anytime soon.

IMO that is.

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

EMBERS

Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
too many people make the conjecture that because they signed on for 3, that we'll get 3. This wasn't really directed at you, but that particular comment (which you just happened to make here).

As for more movies though, I think we'd have to see a gigantic leap in sales (millions) to have a good chance to get more. Unfortunately, I really don't see that happening.

Perhaps in 5 years (even if), but I don't think anytime soon.

IMO that is.

see? I would consider 5 years soon...
there was a looonng gap between the first Star Wars and the second (and that was a big hit)

and a better comparison is the even longer gap between the first and second Star Trek movies.

Joss has said he has 100 Firefly/Serenity stories in his brain and he intends to tell them. He is still a very young man, and we can expect to get our BDHs periodically over the next 30 years.

IMO that is.

**********************************************
watch the R. Tam Session vids: http://www.hittarivertam.nu/
and buy the 'Serenity' comics published by Dark Horse
have you checked out this thread?:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15816

and listen to 'I'm Going To See Serenity':
http://music.podshow.com/music/listeners/artistdetails.php?BandHash=a0
c814e1229742ce77ed4497cbf4631c

MALSDOXY

Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:32 PM

Ellis, Ellis, Ellis,
'Serenity' is just a blip in the timeline that is Firefly...Of course the series can return, there are so many other stories our intrepid captain and crew need to tell...Oh Ye of Little Faith...

"Haven't you killed me enough for one day ?"
- Mal, War Stories

SIGMANUNKI

Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

see? I would consider 5 years soon...
there was a looonng gap between the first Star Wars and the second (and that was a big hit)

and a better comparison is the even longer gap between the first and second Star Trek movies.

Joss has said he has 100 Firefly/Serenity stories in his brain and he intends to tell them. He is still a very young man, and we can expect to get our BDHs periodically over the next 30 years.

IMO that is.

But the question here is, if we have the chance to get them, do we want them? I'm not convinced that that is so.

----
"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

FOLLOWMAL

Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

As for more movies though, I think we'd have to see a gigantic leap in sales (millions) to have a good chance to get more. Unfortunately, I really don't see that happening.

Perhaps in 5 years (even if), but I don't think anytime soon.

IMO that is.

What are the sales for Serenity, do you know? I had read an online artice recently where they quoted Ejiofor ( The Operative) and he said that he had heard that DVD sales were going very well.

I believe from just looking at the sales on Amazon that there has been a good response.
Of course, as far as I can tell there is no absolute way to tell how many have been sold, in fact I've read comments on this board and others that the studios are rather private about that.

IMHO, they are relying on DVD sales for the incentive to greenlight projects more than ever before. I have seen some real sucky movies get a sequel greenlighted on their DVD sales record. Since Serenity isn't sucky, and it's DVD sales have the potential to be good, it stands us in good stead.

The glass is half full for me rather than half empty. I am here.... holdin' with Zoid. Mal will be back. He has to be.

Click here http://www.serenitymovie.org/browncoats/forums/index.php?showtopic=478
0 for info about the Appreciatin' Nathan Crew, Mal's Bunk, and how to join.

FM- Shepherd of the Appreciatin' Nathan Crew

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

EMBERS

Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

But the question here is, if we have the chance to get them, do we want them? I'm not convinced that that is so.

well that depends on a lot factors....
if Wonder Woman is a huge failure (and of course I'm hoping for a big hit)
then Joss STILL has another chance with Goners (since Universal is definitely making that regardless...

if they are both huge failures then Joss might start looking at TV again
if one or both are huge hits then I think Joss will be able to write his own ticket in Hollywood (which would include getting to try again with the sequel to 'Serenity', since that is still very close to his heart).

It is way too early to be so pessimistic (IMO)
as I said: Joss is young, he has time...

**********************************************
watch the R. Tam Session vids: http://www.hittarivertam.nu/
and buy the 'Serenity' comics published by Dark Horse
have you checked out this thread?:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15816

and listen to 'I'm Going To See Serenity':
http://music.podshow.com/music/listeners/artistdetails.php?BandHash=a0
c814e1229742ce77ed4497cbf4631c

FOLLOWMAL

Saturday, April 15, 2006 6:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

see? I would consider 5 years soon...

But the question here is, if we have the chance to get them, do we want them? I'm not convinced that that is so.

I DO! OF COURSE I DO!

Click here http://www.serenitymovie.org/browncoats/forums/index.php?showtopic=478
0 for info about the Appreciatin' Nathan Crew, Mal's Bunk, and how to join.

FM- Shepherd of the Appreciatin' Nathan Crew

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

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