No more Firefly/Serenity

POSTED BY: Ellis
UPDATED: Sunday, April 16, 2006 04:37
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ELLIS

Saturday, April 15, 2006 12:08 AM

* SPOILER WARNING *

If you haven’t seen the movie Serenity, stop reading this post. It’ll just ruin parts of the movie for you. So, please, go read some other post. Thank you.

Are they gone? Ok..

Apologies for: 1) the length of the post; 2) if something similar has been posted before.

I finished watching the series and many people were right: I absolutely love it. I figured I’d watch Serenity again because some things would have more significance, more impact, and I would understand some of the things going on better than I did before. It was like watching a whole new movie. After watching it, though, something occurred to me: it’s the end.

See, almost everyone here keeps talking about bringing back Firefly to TV or the possibility of a sequel; I say: leave it where it is. True, it’s sad that there aren’t more episodes, but really, what could Joss do to continue it?

The death of Mr. Universe is inconsequential since he was a character unique to the movie (as far as I can tell; I never heard him mentioned in the series). The death of Book and Wash, however, would make continuing the series pointless. In Firefly, it’s about all of them and how they interact with each other; how they balance each other out. Having those two gone means that anything that comes after it would be hollow.

River’s fine now (as much as she can be, anyway), Mal’s got his belief back, Kaylee and Simon are together (finally!). Basically, many of the story lines are tied up in Serenity. Or, to put it better, Serenity is the series condensed to 2 hours.

The only way that Firefly could continue as a series is if we pretend that the movie took place in a parallel dimension. I’m serious. Stop laughing.

It would be great if Firefly could carry on where it left off if we said, “Okay, Serenity hasn’t happened and isn’t going to happen.” That story line could come up, of course, but I hope that things would turn out differently. But as it stands right now, it can’t go on.

Just my opinion.

For a thread on a way to continue the series:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=19813

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ZZETTA13

Saturday, April 15, 2006 12:35 AM

Ellis I'm shocked!!

Am I going to have to get Captain Mal over here to tell you again "HOLD THE LINE"

Give up Serenity and Firefly NEVER!!

Wash, Book and Mr. Universe dead? Thats a whole nother thread and has been beat to death. Check out the archives and you'll find it.

Anyway writters can work their magic and do what needs to be done with any show.

If I have it right the first 10 minutes of Serenity happened before the Tams hooked up with Mal and crew in the tv Serenity pilot. It shows the escape of the Tams from the medical unit where River was being held for weapons research. The rest of the movie comes after they have already been on board a while.Very well written by a talented team who could cook up 20 BDMs if they wanted to.

So in closing I'll say "Just believe in whatever...just believe." Book

JAYDUCK

Saturday, April 15, 2006 12:42 AM

I disagree. Serenity was just one story.

I also don't think River is "cured" by any means. Just starting to understand herself a little better.

There are plenty stories to be told after Serenity, if they want to tell them.

There is also 6 months between Objects in Space and Serenity that could pick up right where Firefly left off.

WHISPER

Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:32 AM

The way i see their deaths is... "when one door (or two) closes another one opens."

Joss is famous for killing off characters only to bring in more interesting characters and storylines.

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For instance in season 5 of Angel, Winafred Burkle, a much loved character is killed off after 3 years of being on the show, is replaced by one of the coolest characters to ever grace the show, Illyria (played by the same actress). From season one- Angel's link to the PTB (Powers that Be) Doyle is killed and is replaced by Wesley, who continues on to have the greatest character arc.

I have come to expect from Joss that when a main character dies, that means things are just about to get interesting and I personally can't wait to see what they come up with.

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KRIGAN

Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:33 AM

Disagree, They were expendable. Great Characters but expendable. IMO Mal and River are the only two that are not expendable & book was the most expendable. If the series had not been canceled I bet Joss would have wacked them both eventually. Book probably would have died in a long story ark where they discovered he was a former alliance agent or operative. Characters die and new ones take their place in a whedon show, Saffron probably would have joined the crew eventually.

"Yeah but she's our witch so cut her the hell down"

NUCLEARDAY

Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:35 AM

Yeah, I see your point, and this has come up a couple times in the short time I've had the privilege of being here.

That said: NO!

There's still plenty left to explore here, in just about any type of format, I think. Series would be the biggest win, but a movie sequel would also be shiny-tacular as well. Here's why:

The BDM may have covered what was supposed to be the first story arc of the series, sure. But that's one arc. I have no reason to believe that wether or not it was actually going to happen, Joss was prepared with enough story to drive the series for a good long while. (Buffy lasted, what, 7 seasons or so?) There's likely plots we haven't even got a hint of yet. Surely Joss was setting things up in the series for us to find out about River's stuff. But if the series had gone on, there would definately have been more to tell, I think.

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SIGMANUNKI

Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ellis:

It would be great if Firefly could carry on where it left off if we said, “Okay, Serenity hasn’t happened and isn’t going to happen.” That story line could come up, of course, but I hope that things would turn out differently. But as it stands right now, it can’t go on.

Just my opinion.

And my opinion as well.

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AUSSAY

Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:44 AM

A new series would mean new characters and they could have great storylines that would add to the series.

We could have another Book type of character with some sort of past life with the Alliance, someone who knows the Tams somehow, an undercover Alliance agent who is trying to get River, lots of interesting opportunites

The Verse is to good a platform for some great sci fi to just let die

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MDIRK

Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:59 AM

River: "The storm is getting worse."

Mal: "We'll get through it soon enough."

what do you think joss meant with this, the last, line of the BDM?

BROTHERJULIAN

Saturday, April 15, 2006 7:22 AM

While I do think that a comback for Firfly/Serenity would be problematic, I do not see the deaths of Wash and Shepherd Bood as a barrier.

Think of the possible plot lines involved with using say, the alliance operative. He strikes me as what Book may have been before getting his call to the ministry, lots of stuff there. And think of the fun it would be to integrate him into the crew.

I think River is better, not cured. Ever hear of the word relapse? Is Miranda the only secret floating around in her noggin? And remember the Alliance may have use for a psichic that isn't so crazy.

Mal and Inara still have issues to resolve. Like is she still going to be turning tricks? Would Mal be cool with that?

The Doc is still a boob. His new relationship with Kaylee could take the place of the strained Zoe/Wash marriage.

Brother Julian, Walking the World for a While.

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