Pre-emptive military strike to Iran, goin' out with a bang, baby!

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RUE

Friday, April 14, 2006 7:37 PM

BTW - almost a year ago I was posting that the question would be Syria or Iran. I'll dig up the posts for those who've forgotten. I thought Syria made a better (softer) target b/c Iran would require tactical nukes. And nobody would be THAT crazy.

Well, bush is, along with about 1/3 of the US. They're the same people who think Afghanistan and Iraq are successes.

Fine radioactive dust everywhere - now I'll have to clean all over again.

REAVERMAN

Friday, April 14, 2006 7:45 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Iran. Well, they MIGHT have nuclear weapons some day! Meanwhile, North Korea has the nukes and the ICBMs to go with them, and we 're doing.... what???

Ahh, but North Korea is just a bunch of mountains and Asians. Why would Bush want to conquer that? If they had massive stores of some valuable material (maybe, ya know, good ol' black gold), Bush would be there in a heartbeat

(well, maybe not Bush himself, but a lot of people would be there in Bush's name in a heartbeat

).

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

CHRISISALL

Friday, April 14, 2006 8:20 PM

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Originally posted by reaverman:
If they had massive stores of some valuable material (maybe, ya know, good ol' black gold), Bush would be there in a heartbeat

Technically, the war in Iraq is not for oil, it's for FREEDOM!

Our freedom to control the oil Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, April 14, 2006 9:53 PM

Hell, I don't even think its about the US getting the oil...

I think they just want to deny it to India and China, slow down the two fastest growing economys before they leave the US far behind.

Maybe screw Europe a bit too...

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

FLETCH2

Friday, April 14, 2006 10:13 PM

I think people are looking at this the wrong way. They think this is tactical, that the day after the war all the big oil field suddenly get signs that say "owned by Exxon" outside them.

This is strategic, it's about there being oil for America 20 or 30 years down the road. Thanks in part to sanctions Iraq has stacks of unexploited oil reserves, so much so that when the Saudi oil industry is just a fond memory they will still be pumping oil in Iraq.

Going forward the US would like a friendly regime in charge of that oil, one that if it's not US controlled is not US hostile. The theory -- let's call it the Pearl theory -- is that democracy will help spread around the oil money in a way that an oligarcy won't. That this in turn will create an economy that supports a middle class, that this middle class will want to buy US goods and services and like most middle classes the world over be more interested in stability than war.

In addition such a Arab middle class would come to see that they have more in common with Israel than they think, they will through nescessity forge economic ties that will make war less likely and strip Islamists and anti Jewish Palestinians of support and funding.

And then we all go to Disneyland!!!

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, April 14, 2006 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
I think people are looking at this the wrong way. They think this is tactical, that the day after the war all the big oil field suddenly get signs that say "owned by Exxon" outside them.

This is strategic, it's about there being oil for America 20 or 30 years down the road. Thanks in part to sanctions Iraq has stacks of unexploited oil reserves, so much so that when the Saudi oil industry is just a fond memory they will still be pumping oil in Iraq.

Going forward the US would like a friendly regime in charge of that oil, one that if it's not US controlled is not US hostile. The theory -- let's call it the Pearl theory -- is that democracy will help spread around the oil money in a way that an oligarcy won't. That this in turn will create an economy that supports a middle class, that this middle class will want to buy US goods and services and like most middle classes the world over be more interested in stability than war.

In addition such a Arab middle class would come to see that they have more in common with Israel than they think, they will through nescessity forge economic ties that will make war less likely and strip Islamists and anti Jewish Palestinians of support and funding.

And then we all go to Disneyland!!!

Hahahahahahahahaha

You had me going for a minute

You really think somehow people will start to like the US after all this

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

CITIZEN

Friday, April 14, 2006 10:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Rue:
BTW - almost a year ago I was posting that the question would be Syria or Iran. I'll dig up the posts for those who've forgotten. I thought Syria made a better (softer) target b/c Iran would require tactical nukes. And nobody would be THAT crazy.

Believe it or not I was saying something similar in 2003, while I was watching our glorious troops destroy telecom towers from cameras mounted above their tanks main gun...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

REAVERMAN

Saturday, April 15, 2006 5:52 AM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Hell, I don't even think its about the US getting the oil...

I think they just want to deny it to India and China, slow down the two fastest growing economys before they leave the US far behind.

Maybe screw Europe a bit too...

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

Hell, China's already left us in the dust. The U.S. has little serious manufacturing capability left, while China is now the biggest industrialist nation in the world. Combine that with a military that is rapidly approaching our level of advancement(and that numbers 40 million compared to the U.S.'s 3.5 million; those figures are total military personell, including desk pilots, field surgeons, and other non combat personell). And combine that with a puppet ,*ahem*, ally(N. Korea) that has the most numerous, and arguably, the best trained, most effective special forces in the world(a few nukes on top of that). There aint no way to slow China's economy down. They could just buy it from someone else or just take what they want.

I just hope the U.S. government and people pull their heads out of their collective ass and do somethin', 'cause, if it came down to a stand-up fight between the U.S. and China right now, the U.S. would be monumentally screwed on every level.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

PIRATEJENNY

Saturday, April 15, 2006 6:12 AM

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Panama. Ah, yes. Unbeknownst to us, Noriega was a major drug runner. MAJOR. In fact, all by his lonesome he was destabilizng the USA! So we invaded Panama (not Colombia) and the drug traffic didn't slow a whit.

and you might want to add to that, that Bush Sr and his top officals were were working hand in hand running Drugs and making deals to help fund the contras. Matter of fact didn't Bush Sr arrange a marriage with one of his sons to marry one of the daughters of some Big Drug lord?

GINOBIFFARONI

Saturday, April 15, 2006 2:30 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Quote:
Panama. Ah, yes. Unbeknownst to us, Noriega was a major drug runner. MAJOR. In fact, all by his lonesome he was destabilizng the USA! So we invaded Panama (not Colombia) and the drug traffic didn't slow a whit.

and you might want to add to that, that Bush Sr and his top officals were were working hand in hand running Drugs and making deals to help fund the contras. Matter of fact didn't Bush Sr arrange a marriage with one of his sons to marry one of the daughters of some Big Drug lord?

Funny that when you think Opium exports from Afganistan have increased something like %800 since the Americans took over there......

If you think of the American government in terms of a Sopranos episode... it all falls into place

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" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

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