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POSTED BY: J00
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J00

Friday, April 14, 2006 1:31 AM

Thanks for all the attention folks. This is really good stuff. Keep it coming!

Mike

CATHERA

Friday, April 14, 2006 1:40 AM

[QUOTE}Give me a Big Damn Trilogy, and I'll call it a win. But for frell's sake, give me the series back after we've had our blockbuster hits :)

B]

Frell huh? Farscape fan I see.

Anyhow as to the questions.

I saw the trailer for Firefly way back when and being a fan of SciFi watched it. I don't think I saw all the eps that were released due to the station changing days because some I remember and some I don't. But I loved it back then and know I at least tried to find it. I think part of the problem is I had just graduated college and gotten engaged so most of my time was spent planning a Renaissance wedding (yes really at a Ren faire and all).

When I saw the preview for the movie (because I lost touch with the show and didn't know about this site) I KNEW without a doubt it was from the series. I couldn't convince my husband to see it. He was working nights then and didn't watch the series with me. I had to rent it unfortunately. He liked the movie and was hooked by the show once he saw one ep on the SciFi marathon (so easy to convert).

The series was great because it explored things in ways we don't really see now. Truth be told I didn't realize it was a western. Obviously that wasn't a problem because I still love the show now that I've realized it (duh).

The movie was great because I had missed those characters so much. This was the first show I really got upset about being canceled and where I kept hoping it would come back. The movie gave them to me again, at least for a while for some. Even though I saw the movie before revisiting the series, I remembered as each charater spoke certain ways, that they were like that. I was in love in five seconds. (we may experience some turbulence and then explode.) But I didn't like how Simon was a passenger again and not crew, like in ... drawing a blank at the name and I just watched it. Otherwise I liked how it explained much of what happened with River and Simon and tied up that part. And we finally got to see Reavers.

Not much else about the movie upset me except that it was over way too soon.

I am ready to solicit Joss to get it back if that's what it takes.

As for being a true fan. Anyone who talks about it lovingly and recruits more browncoats. If not on here then at least to the show and movie.

Under a Blag Flag We Shall Sail

RHYIANAN

Friday, April 14, 2006 1:46 AM

I watched a few episodes on fox, but when it was cancelled I kinda forgot about it. Then someone told me there was a firefly movie coming out and I realized I couldn't remember anything from the series. So I rented the dvds and watched them, bringing back memories and discovering the episodes that I had missed. Immediately, I wanted more.

Unfortunately, I was very disappointed with Serenity. The continuity problems got to me, as did the fact that at the beginning of the movie, it seems like the only characters that are acting true to the series are Zoe and River. Add the character deaths to that and I wasn't very happy. However, I still bought the dvd and upon further viewing I began to enjoy the movie. It's still flawed, but it's better than nothing.

I believe a "true" fan is anyone that enjoyed the series and/or movie that feels they can call themselves a fan.

EMBERS

Friday, April 14, 2006 1:46 AM

Hi Mike:
I was already a fan of Joss Whedon's BtVS, so when Firefly started showing on Fox I watched and taped every episode (which wasn't easy to do...it was frequently delayed until after the game was over).
I wasn't a huge fan at first, but once I saw 'Jaynestown' I was swept away by the metaphor, characterizations, fun, and excitement of this amazing series.
I didn't join this site until after the Firefly DVDs came out, but I was already a huge fan.

I saw 'Serenity' at the May 5th Advanced screening and I was beside myself with excitement, which was enhanced by being in a full theater packed with people who were as big of fans as I am.
I absolutely loved 'Serenity' - I wouldn't have criticized anything...except maybe it was almost too exciting. I sobbed into my scarf, and then laughed out loud in the next breath. Of course I would have been satisfied with 2 hours of the crew sitting and talking around the dinner table, but I recognized that Joss needed to do more than that.

I wasn't complaining about any of the pain & death because I know that Joss doesn't feel that he has done his job if he fails to pull our beating hearts out and stomping on them...and then make us laugh a second later (he is a hard and cruel creator).

So what else were you asking?
Oh, yeah: I consider anyone a true fan who says they are...I'm willing to take them at their word.
But I'll admit that I avoid people (by not responding to their threads) who feel that Joss was mistaken, that 'Serenity' is not 'canon', that just seems silly to me. It is true that Joss would probably not have killed any of the characters in the first season of 'Firefly' (if he had had 22 episodes), but he certainly would have killed off some characters eventually; just as he did on Buffy and Angel.

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watch the R. Tam Session vids: http://www.hittarivertam.nu/
and buy the 'Serenity' comics published by Dark Horse
have you checked out this thread?:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15816

and listen to 'I'm Going To See Serenity':
http://music.podshow.com/music/listeners/artistdetails.php?BandHash=a0
c814e1229742ce77ed4497cbf4631c

WASHBURNEFAN

Friday, April 14, 2006 1:54 AM

My only dislike is not having all the crew on at the same time.

Oh and...

OOOOOOOOOhHHHHHHHHH GGGGGGGGGGooooooooooDDDDDDDDD why did they kill Wash!

AHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!

Hahaha! Mine is an evil laugh... Now die!

DEEPGIRL187

Friday, April 14, 2006 3:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RMMC:
(I know it's weird, but as a Buffy and Angel fan prior to the show, I've kinda gotten used to his torturing his fan bases in a good way.

I never really watched Buffy or Angel. Is it actually normal for Joss to twist knives into our hearts by killing off our favorite characters?

(Sorry. Still going through acute Wash withdrawal.)

At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.

MILFORD

Friday, April 14, 2006 4:05 PM

Interesting question. I took a lot of criticism when I was getting my PhD so I now how valuable responses can be.

As someone who was a Firefly fan first, and a Serenity fan second, I had a strong reaction of ownership to the film. I remember when the title came up and the transitioned over to the ship that I was so excited about MY in movie! I was very proud, and as a result, was very sensitive to criticism of the film. Now, how did I judge it? That's an interesting quesiton. I was thrilled to see my heroes again, but was frustrated at the short span. It's like meeting your soul mate, but only getting one date with her. It was obvious to me that there was more there than the film had to say, so I found that frustrating. I supppose I'm saying I was torn: loved to have my friends back, irratated that they had to go so soon.

As to what it means to be a true Firefly fan? I think that's a tougher question. It depends on how you define fan to begin with.

What class at what school is this for, if you don't mind me asking?

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J00

Friday, April 14, 2006 5:29 PM

Thanks for the response. By the way, do you happen to have any suggestions of other websites to research, or good books that deal with fan analysis? I'm taking the class at The University of Texas in Austin. It is the TV analysis and Critisism with Michael Kackman. Good class, good subject, good teacher. Thanks again for your responce.

Mike

MILFORD

Friday, April 14, 2006 9:01 PM

Wow, UT is right down the road from me.

I know similar studies, epecially critical examinations, have been done to other shows, Twin Peaks in particular. I think Michigan State put out a book on that.

Good luck.

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ZZETTA13

Saturday, April 15, 2006 12:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by J00:
Hey y'all,

I am a college student taking a TV analysis and Criticism class and I'm trying to gain a perspective from the Firefly fan community of how we judged "Serentity". What I'm interested to know is who of you were avid fans of Firefly before the movie came out, and what your immediate criticisms of the movie, as far as character, story, style, etc. And also I'd like to get the critisisms of those who became fans from the movie and then started watching the episodes. Also, what do you all think is a true fan of Firefly? Thank you for taking the time to read this and I'd be equally, if not more thankful if you found the time to respond.

Peace,
Mike

We(the wife and I) came to the verse by way of Serenity the movie. We saw the movie trailer in the theater when going to see Harry Potter, the wifes favorite.
I would have loved to have seen Serenity on the big screen but we didn't catch it until it was on dvd. Then we became very interested in seeing the tv series. After that I was hooked.

Criticism of the show? If I have any it won't be much. I love the idea of a creation not taking itself to serious. This gives it much more weight as for as I'm concerned. It gives the viewer the freedom to decided what they want to deem as real and what to just toss out as funny. Thats how life is in reality anyway.

A true fan of Firefly? Well your on a browncoat site full of them.

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